Why Is the Defense So Bad?

FinSaint · 11-02-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money?

spotrac.com

Roman Harper Contract, Salaries, and Transactions

They list Harper's contract - which he signed last offseason - including $16M in guaranteed money from which the Saints have only paid him $10M at the end of this year.

Naturally, he has been paid more in real life, since the prorated signing bonus was already paid in full to him, so he has been paid $3.5M more, but I do recall them still having to count for that in salary cap penalties if he is cut now.

I could be wrong.

TheOak · 11-02-2012, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Welll, thank you mr Commissioner!

Commissioner? Do I have to move this thread to smack talk? That one word just summarizes to many derogatory thoughts.

Danno · 11-02-2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Commissioner? Do I have to move this thread to smack talk? That one word just summarizes to many derogatory thoughts.

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be an insult, but this year I can see why someone would think that.

jeanpierre · 11-03-2012, 11:59 PM

So is Hicks is the starter at the Nose Guard?!?

When do we get to see the younger ends take over more playing time??

Nemesis · 11-04-2012, 12:25 AM

I like pie

jeanpierre · 11-04-2012, 08:20 AM

I wonder if there's an anti-bounty on the defensive player that accidentally takes out Vick!!!

We may actually get some turnovers this week...

jeanpierre · 11-04-2012, 09:53 PM

Have the announced which players are on the inactive list for the MNF Game?

DrewDat · 11-05-2012, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by arsaint

DL. We have had sucky DBs in the past and covered it up with a good pass rush.

What?? So Sharper Porter And Greer Was Sucky DBs???? NO BUENO

mike27 · 11-05-2012, 01:09 AM

Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered.

When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not.

SaintsBro · 11-05-2012, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by mike27

Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered.

When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not.

True, so true. If even just a couple more of those 3 and outs in each game had been offensive drives that lasted a few plays-- and got a few first downs (not even necessarily scores) and changed field position, took time off the clock etc -- then this defense would not look NEARLY so terribly bad as it is, I guarantee you that. The D would be ranked in the middle or top of the back of the pack, and not dead last, and it would not look nearly so hopeless and anemic as it does now. And the team's record would be different, no question about it.

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Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
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11-02-2012, 11:57 AM	#101
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money? spotrac.com Roman Harper Contract, Salaries, and Transactions They list Harper's contract - which he signed last offseason - including $16M in guaranteed money from which the Saints have only paid him $10M at the end of this year. Naturally, he has been paid more in real life, since the prorated signing bonus was already paid in full to him, so he has been paid $3.5M more, but I do recall them still having to count for that in salary cap penalties if he is cut now. I could be wrong.

11-02-2012, 01:23 PM	#102
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by Danno Welll, thank you mr Commissioner! Commissioner? Do I have to move this thread to smack talk? That one word just summarizes to many derogatory thoughts.

11-02-2012, 02:21 PM	#103
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Commissioner? Do I have to move this thread to smack talk? That one word just summarizes to many derogatory thoughts. Sorry, it wasn't meant to be an insult, but this year I can see why someone would think that. TheOak likes this.

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11-04-2012, 12:25 AM	#105
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11-05-2012, 01:09 AM	#109
mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered. When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not.

11-05-2012, 07:11 AM	#110
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by mike27 Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered. When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not. True, so true. If even just a couple more of those 3 and outs in each game had been offensive drives that lasted a few plays-- and got a few first downs (not even necessarily scores) and changed field position, took time off the clock etc -- then this defense would not look NEARLY so terribly bad as it is, I guarantee you that. The D would be ranked in the middle or top of the back of the pack, and not dead last, and it would not look nearly so hopeless and anemic as it does now. And the team's record would be different, no question about it.

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