Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back

alexonfyre · 11-12-2012, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

I think the real addition is Vitt. Sproles'll be yet another pleasant addition once he recovers.

@OP/CSC: Correlation does not equal Causation. Don't forget that our run game coordinator has not been able to run game coordinate until the last few games with Vitt back, which is more likely the cause of our improved running game than the removal of one of our premier playmakers. In fact, I think that the running game will be even better when he comes back. See: the 2011 Season.

(Also, I think it may be time for us Ingram apologists to admit that Ivory should be starting, frankly.)

Mardigras9 · 11-13-2012, 10:51 AM

Whatever or whoever lit the fire under Ingram, THANK YOU!!!!! Ivory is out to prove he belongs on the field (and has).

Danno · 11-13-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Whatever or whoever lit the fire under Ingram, THANK YOU!!!!! Ivory is out to prove he belongs on the field (and has).

No one lit a fire under him. He got better blocking. He's no longer pummelled by 4 defenders 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

May have something to do with Kromer coming back.

If any fire was lit, it was the O-line.

TheGambler · 11-14-2012, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

No one lit a fire under him. He got better blocking. He's no longer pummelled by 4 defenders 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

May have something to do with Kromer coming back.

If any fire was lit, it was the O-line.

While I don't completely disagree with you on the fact that they're both getting better blocking.........I do think you're seeing the Ingram situation thru your ROLL TIDE glasses a bit. In that MNF game against the Eagles...it started off with Ingram's same boring 2 yard runs....and after Ivory ripped off a couple of runs and got the crowd going, suddenly Ingram had some burst, fire, and elusiveness.

Biggest coincidence in the world? Maybe. Either way, I like this Ingram better than the other one.

SaintsBro · 11-14-2012, 04:33 PM

Ivory Coming Back From The Doghouse > Regular Chris Ivory. To get to THIS Ivory we had to wait through THAT Ivory, and I think it was done that way on purpose.

Ingram With Competition Behind Him > Ingram With No Competition Behind Him.

O Line + Kromer scheme > O Line w/ halfassed Kromer scheme

No question about it. The best thing that can happen right now is for stuff to get batsh*t crazy with competition in our backfield, then right when everything gets thrown into the pot and comes to a complete boil Sproles walks back in to the middle of the throng and our offense goes off-the-chain crazeee. That's my prediction.

TheGambler · 11-14-2012, 04:35 PM

Does anybody even know why Ivory was IN a doghouse? Was he in a doghouse????? I know he fumbled a few times in training camp / preseason.....but I seem to recall him turning it on from that Jacksonville game on forward...

SaintsBro · 11-14-2012, 04:53 PM

He was in the doghouse for fumbling. Kromer said something about it at the start of the year. But not for HOW MANY times he fumbled, Ivory didn't really fumble that much, it was WHERE and WHEN and HOW he fumbled -- for example at bad times in games or in situations that caused a 14 point swing (took away 7 from the Saints and wound up giving 7 to the other team, or on crucial drives where we needed points, stuff like that). And bad ball handling -- sometimes the ball would squirt out when he hit the ground, or when he was on his way down, and he would get 1-2 stripped when one guy would stack him up and another would go for the ball, while Ivory was thrashing around, which is a pretty basic and avoidable kind of fumble. As opposed to the Pierre Thomas style of fumbling, where he generally has to have his ankle freaking get broken or be knocked out cold, in order for him to cough up the ball.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-14-2012, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

That happens quite a bit around here.

No kidding...

TheGambler · 11-14-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

He was in the doghouse for fumbling. Kromer said something about it at the start of the year. But not for HOW MANY times he fumbled, Ivory didn't really fumble that much, it was WHERE and WHEN and HOW he fumbled -- for example at bad times in games or in situations that caused a 14 point swing (took away 7 from the Saints and wound up giving 7 to the other team, or on crucial drives where we needed points, stuff like that). And bad ball handling -- sometimes the ball would squirt out when he hit the ground, or when he was on his way down, and he would get 1-2 stripped when one guy would stack him up and another would go for the ball, while Ivory was thrashing around, which is a pretty basic and avoidable kind of fumble. As opposed to the Pierre Thomas style of fumbling, where he generally has to have his ankle freaking get broken or be knocked out cold, in order for him to cough up the ball.

That's some funny logic right there...

Team goes 0-4......defense is handing out yards and points like Halloween candy, the offense was sputtering along and not putting teams away...

...but dammit, we sure won't activate Chris Ivory...he MIGHT fumble !

11-12-2012, 10:25 PM	#21
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by Seer1 I think the real addition is Vitt. Sproles'll be yet another pleasant addition once he recovers. @OP/CSC: Correlation does not equal Causation. Don't forget that our run game coordinator has not been able to run game coordinate until the last few games with Vitt back, which is more likely the cause of our improved running game than the removal of one of our premier playmakers. In fact, I think that the running game will be even better when he comes back. See: the 2011 Season. (Also, I think it may be time for us Ingram apologists to admit that Ivory should be starting, frankly.)

11-13-2012, 10:51 AM	#22
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Whatever or whoever lit the fire under Ingram, THANK YOU!!!!! Ivory is out to prove he belongs on the field (and has).

11-13-2012, 01:25 PM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Whatever or whoever lit the fire under Ingram, THANK YOU!!!!! Ivory is out to prove he belongs on the field (and has). No one lit a fire under him. He got better blocking. He's no longer pummelled by 4 defenders 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. May have something to do with Kromer coming back. If any fire was lit, it was the O-line. Halo, saintfan and Tobias-Reiper like this.

11-14-2012, 04:20 PM	#24
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by Danno No one lit a fire under him. He got better blocking. He's no longer pummelled by 4 defenders 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. May have something to do with Kromer coming back. If any fire was lit, it was the O-line. While I don't completely disagree with you on the fact that they're both getting better blocking.........I do think you're seeing the Ingram situation thru your ROLL TIDE glasses a bit. In that MNF game against the Eagles...it started off with Ingram's same boring 2 yard runs....and after Ivory ripped off a couple of runs and got the crowd going, suddenly Ingram had some burst, fire, and elusiveness. Biggest coincidence in the world? Maybe. Either way, I like this Ingram better than the other one.
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11-14-2012, 04:33 PM	#25
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Ivory Coming Back From The Doghouse > Regular Chris Ivory. To get to THIS Ivory we had to wait through THAT Ivory, and I think it was done that way on purpose. Ingram With Competition Behind Him > Ingram With No Competition Behind Him. O Line + Kromer scheme > O Line w/ halfassed Kromer scheme No question about it. The best thing that can happen right now is for stuff to get batsh*t crazy with competition in our backfield, then right when everything gets thrown into the pot and comes to a complete boil Sproles walks back in to the middle of the throng and our offense goes off-the-chain crazeee. That's my prediction.

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11-14-2012, 04:35 PM	#26
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Does anybody even know why Ivory was IN a doghouse? Was he in a doghouse????? I know he fumbled a few times in training camp / preseason.....but I seem to recall him turning it on from that Jacksonville game on forward...
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11-14-2012, 04:53 PM	#27
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back He was in the doghouse for fumbling. Kromer said something about it at the start of the year. But not for HOW MANY times he fumbled, Ivory didn't really fumble that much, it was WHERE and WHEN and HOW he fumbled -- for example at bad times in games or in situations that caused a 14 point swing (took away 7 from the Saints and wound up giving 7 to the other team, or on crucial drives where we needed points, stuff like that). And bad ball handling -- sometimes the ball would squirt out when he hit the ground, or when he was on his way down, and he would get 1-2 stripped when one guy would stack him up and another would go for the ball, while Ivory was thrashing around, which is a pretty basic and avoidable kind of fumble. As opposed to the Pierre Thomas style of fumbling, where he generally has to have his ankle freaking get broken or be knocked out cold, in order for him to cough up the ball.

11-14-2012, 05:23 PM	#28
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by Danno That happens quite a bit around here. No kidding...

11-14-2012, 05:36 PM	#29
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by SaintsBro He was in the doghouse for fumbling. Kromer said something about it at the start of the year. But not for HOW MANY times he fumbled, Ivory didn't really fumble that much, it was WHERE and WHEN and HOW he fumbled -- for example at bad times in games or in situations that caused a 14 point swing (took away 7 from the Saints and wound up giving 7 to the other team, or on crucial drives where we needed points, stuff like that). And bad ball handling -- sometimes the ball would squirt out when he hit the ground, or when he was on his way down, and he would get 1-2 stripped when one guy would stack him up and another would go for the ball, while Ivory was thrashing around, which is a pretty basic and avoidable kind of fumble. As opposed to the Pierre Thomas style of fumbling, where he generally has to have his ankle freaking get broken or be knocked out cold, in order for him to cough up the ball. That's some funny logic right there... Team goes 0-4......defense is handing out yards and points like Halloween candy, the offense was sputtering along and not putting teams away... ...but dammit, we sure won't activate Chris Ivory...he MIGHT fumble !
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