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Well Drew, Carmichael, Vitt, Sproles, they all just get this panicky, jittery, frantic look about them, and then you already know it's over. Very 2008-ish. Then they start in with Cadet taking out every kickoff, even from the white backline, he plows into people on like the 11 yard line, and the field position gets worse and worse and the hole gets even deeper. It's very predictable.

It starts with THE PANIC. You can see it happen. And normally, Payton doesn't panic. That's what's so immensely frustrating.

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Go back and watch all of the kickoff returns this season.

Sproles doesn't take it out.
Cadet takes it out...

Both are true damn near 100% of the time.

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My apologies to you sir.

I consumed more refreshments than is advisable.

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Again we win as a team. And we lose as a team. Can we end this bull.

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Falcon fan here & from my perspective Brees has not let you down this year. Goodell did. I think NFL HQ should refund your season tix holders a good chunk of their $$$$ back.

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A rational Falcon fan who made a post that makes sense about Brees? The Mayan's were right i guess. Well it's been fun.

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Congrat to your boys. Good luck the rest of the way. Drew has not and will not ever let us down. Thank You.

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Some people in this community will never say anything is wrong with Brees and I for one do not understand it.

Ill say it now and ill say it next week when he throws for 300+ and 5 TDs, Brees is a above avg QB that spent most of his time with an amazing coach. Without Payton Brees looks like the Brees from San Diego.

Some people in this thread have actually said the last two games weren't drew's fault and the 5ints didn't matter that much. REALLY. There is no point in arguing with such delusional people.

I for one am a fan of the Saints first and always regardless of who is QB. What I am not a fan of is one skilled position player losing two very important games in a row.

rant over... for now

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So.........Drew is human after all. I never saw that coming.

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LOUD NOISES!!!!!

:messedup:

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To me one of the more reasonable & realistic post...that game wasn't over until it was over but yea could not have said it better

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I see there are a lot of the expected excuses still being given out for Brees today. He tried too hard, the line wasn't good, we abandoned the run game, etc. Look, I've taken turns blaming the O-line, the receivers, the coaches, and the defense. But lastnight the defense was fine, the blocking gave him plenty of time, by their standards, and the clock management was on him, not the coaches. As for abandoning the run, that tends to happen when you're playing from behind, but I agree that we should have fed PT more. But did anybody notice how many yards we were piling up in both the run and passing game? It's not like there weren't open receivers. This guy is not the highest paid QB in NFL history to hand just sit back and hand off when he's having a bad game. The throws were there, and you expect your franchise quarterback to make those plays, but he simply failed to do so. Please don't insult anyone's intelligence by trying to blame 5 picks, and a lot of would be picks, on the coaches.

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I'm not going to say much about this since after last game it became frustrating to try and criticize Brees' performance and to discuss it with some, even though I still feel that the criticism was warranted.

The thing that bothers me about Brees' play in the last two games - without placing any particular blame on him about the outcomes of the games themselves - is that he seems to hold on to the ball for too long, or at least longer than I'm used to seeing him hold on to it in the past. This was much more evident in the 49ers game where Kaepernick was much faster in getting the ball out of his hands than Brees was, but I think it was still an issue this week. It could naturally be that all his receivers were covered in the backfield and he wanted to give them more time to create some separation from the defenders, but there has to be a time when you just give up on the play and throw the ball out of bounds to play another snap.

Another thing that has been somewhat worrisome is that he hasn't been throwing the ball with the same accuracy he has been in the past, or at least it feels like it. Now, it might just be a chemistry thing and/or an issue with the timing inside the plays, but nevertheless it has been present in recent games. Also, his arm strength hasn't maybe deteriorated per se, but he still throws some of those long balls way too short, which makes it hard for the receivers like Henderson and Morgan to use the separation they've created, because they have to put their brakes on and come back to the ball instead of running to the ball. Morgan has made some circus-type catches out of these situations, but it was only a few games ago when Morgan was slightly injured because of one such play.

I know Brees will elevate his level of performances in the coming weeks, but sadly the outcome of these last two games has pretty much determined Saints' fate in the playoff run, so the damage is already done.

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Carmichael doesn't throw the ball.

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Got it, but Carmicheal doesn't throw the ball. If Brees is asked to throw the ball more, he is a professional and should know when to throw it away.

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It not just a feeling but also a stat. Last year Brees completed 71.2% of his passes. This year he is at 61.8% almost a good 10 points lower. This is also his lowest since he got to the Saints, you have to go back all the way to 2003 for him to have a lower completion Drops has been a bigger problem this year than before but thats not the whole story.

This year so far Brees has been throwing the football 41 times per game. Last year when he set the NFL record for passing yards in a season and completion percentage he threw the football 41.0625 times per game.

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I don't know...a lot of people giving credit to SP. Possibly...but he has never actually been on the field at the same time with Drew.

My common sense says that it has more to do with who is not on the field and less to do with who is not on the sideline...but that's just my guess.

Then, when you ask why they are not on the field, I can give you 20 million reasons.

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Nothing personal but this post is absurd. What other decision do you think the team should have made? Let him walk?

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Sit him. There's no QB in the league who wouldn't sit after 7 turnovers in 2 games.

His magical run is OVER.

Let's see Chase Daniel the rest of the season. He needs playing time.

And yes, this is absurd, but I'm serious. Sit him and show him just how human he is.

Alaska

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Well, my oldest daughter plays fastpitch softball. Both High School and Travel Team. She has told me that she doesn't like it when I am not at her games. She says she feels relaxed knowing I am on the outside of the fence. I feel sure the same goes for Drew and the relationship he has with Sean.

I think Sean is Drew's security blanket. He (Drew) knows if he doesn't have the answer, Sean does. That in itself is comforting for an athletic leader, in any sport. Drew doesn't have that this year. He has taken it upon himself to be THE leader, and not just as a QB.

Now; did I cuss those 7 INT's? You bet butt I did. But, I understand what is going on to a certain extent.

By the way LB, this wasn't an arguement for your post. It was just a good example of what I was trying to get across.

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Carmichael doesn't run it either. And as far as being asked to throw it more, he shouldn't be. He's a professional but he's also a human being. When you throw 50+ time a game interceptions happen. They should have given him some help. He couldn't win the game all by himself and he shouldn't have to.

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Cramicheal chooses plays like Family Guy writers choose topics for episodes.

I just wonder where they keep the dolphins...

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Nice SP reference! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/reposit.../bravo-009.gif

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The tone here is that Brees has more power than Goodell. Drew decides the plays, Drew decided how much he was going to be paid, Drew decided GW needed to go and picked Spags, Drew decided New Coke was a great idea.

No one wants to blame the people that actually make the decisions.

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I honestly think alot of this is Pete Carmicheal. Marshal Faulk said it too..
Some people are going to be exposed and IMHO That is Pete Carmicheal. He's basically calling the shots and he just can't adjust. He abandons the running game way too early... He ask way to much of our quaterback with throwing 50+ a game. Drew had a horrile game vs the Falcons and the only option we had was to bench him?
Had Sean payton been there we all know the running game would have been there to open up play action. He would have settled Drew down and we could of won that game.

Let Carmicheal goto Boston or where ever it was he was offered a job. I'll go and be the offensive coordinator next year with Sean Paytonn.3 years from now I'll be considered a genius...

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Its not just Pete James... Pete has a boss, Joe Vitt stands by and watches... Joe Vitt has a boss and that's Mickey Loomis who stands by and watches... basketball.

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I honestly can blame Vitt for the offensive woes...

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This is by design... Designed by Goodell and the league.

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Carmichael became a rockstar last year Payton went down. Before that he the Mr Peepers looking guy that followed Payton around on the sidelines. When SP went down Carmichael was credited with calling the plays but Payton was in his ear during the game and setting up the game plan during the week. I think we forget sometimes what a magician Payton is.

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Frankly THAT run was brilliant but for me too distracting. I so much wanted solid Saints football first.
Agree
Agree

And Colston took one last week that would have a "miracle" completion for both he and Brees if he could have held on

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Pleased for your daughter. And I am pleased you have this synergy with her too.

But for me, Drew Brees is a solid 10 year + PROFESSIONAL sports person. He is a long term leader who really should be able to perform under some of the most sternest physiological, mental and physical situations. Not having SP around might make some difference but not one that should affect him in the odd coupke of games here and there. And Brees has not had Payton for a few games now.

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Whoa, wait a sec, did you just throw out and disregard the importance of Sean Payton right there? Really? Not having SP around shouldn't affect Drew? I find that amazing. So we could just get any old coach up in here and Drew should still be able to perform and go 13-3? Wow.

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You do understand that when people get promoted to Manager they typically stop doing the job they were doing before? Also peer management is an absolute nightmare? Drew Brees is a QB, QBs need Head Coaches... ALL of them do. Drew cant be a#1 QB and a HC at the same time.

Your assumption much like many others is that Drew RUNS the offense. He LEADS the offense but doesn't RUN it, there is a huge difference.

In regards to PROFESSIONAL, Drew has carried and conducted him self as a PROFESSIONAL every step of his career, through adversity. PROFESSIONALISM has nothing to do with being OVERBURDENED with no LEADERSHIP.

Even Leaders have to be Lead. Every Colonel has a General and that General has a General.


Know why Payton Manning only has 1 Super Bowl Championship? Because he had no head Coach when Caldwell was on the field.