how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

We have been getting killed at the line of scrimmage. Do you think this is mostly Brees problem or does he just suddenly suck.

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Hard to say, he does run for his life more than usual but many of the mistakes I've seen weren't due to pressure.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

There have been times when he couldn't stand in the pocket because of pressure, but most his picks he has had a perfect pocket but makes dumb decisions

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Could have something to do with him losing focus because he never knows when he's gonna have to run for his life. Who knows.

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no... just no. The idiot TV announcers even made a statement of how well protected he was in the game... 0 sacks until the 4th qtr and barley pressured at all. Not to mention they dominated in the running game. Drew had the bad games. No need for excuses about everyone around him.

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The season has finally gotten to these guys.

They're done, they know it and they are frustrated, not working as a team.

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If thats true he isn't worth $100 million dollars

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It sure looked like that Sunday.

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Agreed, especially the interior of that line played well the whole game through, and Robinson had a another good performance coming in for Strief at the RT.

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Three problems with Drew v.2012

(1) No Payton, so he's trying to do even more than his normal, Atlas performance...

(2) Deteriorating Rotator Cuff from previous injury - Saints should have had his shoulder checked BEFORE the Tom Condon f***ing; he's not been accurate on the deep ball the past two and half seasons so he's overdue for a shoulder tune-up...

(3) We've lost Stinchcomb, Nicks, and Goodwin in the past two seasons, and it's caught up...

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

I think we have to address our offense more than defense in the draft. Drew's peak can't be starting and ending now.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

you're joking right?

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Blaming the o-line for a QB performance...... Depends on what aspect of his performance you are talking about. He has had a few INTs that were because he was trying to avoid getting sacked (few)... However, the bulk are from him trying to fit balls where he probably shouldn't, tipped balls, and some just poor judgement passes.

Now if you want to talk about the handfull of delay of game penalties because he couldnt get the play right and set... Could be Drew, could be Pete changing things with in 15 seconds of the play clock reading :00.... Drew had one right after a time out, I am going to just guess that Pete is all Fkd up this season because that is not normal for a veteran QB much less Derw. To have a delay of game right after a time out bewilders me. Based on the decision to burn clock and failure to get a FG before a half leads me to believe its the Coaches... One could accuse Drew and few have, but ANY coach with his head on would have called a time out and put the FG team on the field.


Blaming the O-Line for our horrible running games for more than a hand full of games is a lot easier. We had games where we ran three RBs and none ave more than 2.6 YPC.... Thats pure O-line.


As far as for Wills post, I cant make heads or tales of 75% of them, the other 25% I understand but have no clue where he is coming from.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

Half the blame goes to the O-line, half to Brees, IMO. ANY QB under pressure is less effective but in the in the end Brees pulls the trigger on every throw. Pick any game and you can spread the blame to a different aspect of the team, it has just been that kind of year.

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I blame play calling. Too many times Brees is looking for the 20+ yard pass play and if the receiver doesn't have the separation on his first cut he has to hold the ball longer. 2 weeks ago I watched Denver and Tampa and the Bucs are well known for what, cover 2. I watched Peyton eat them up with 3, 4 and 5 yard passes until they brought a safety down and then he went for the longer routes. Our problem is we(Brees & Carmichael) always want the big play and the only short route is the 3rd dwn check down if Sproles is in. We should be eating defenses up with quick strikes. We have big bodies in Colston and Graham and quickness and perfect route running with Moore. No reason on 3rd and 4 for us to always be looking for Graham or Colston 25 yards down the seam. Defense know that's what Brees looks for because of all the game tape and that's why he has so many picks, they set him up for it.

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I was at the last game against the NY Giants and my opinion goes something like this:

1) Eric Olsen was being rotated in as a TE almost 50% of the game to help block. Tuck and Co. were no where near Bress for the bulk of the game. IMHO, excellent decision to neutralize their pass rush

2) Brees reminds me of Jim Everett this year: moments of great poise, the rest, happy feet. That goes back to a lack of confidence in the O line I guess.

3) Brees is forcing passes. I saw him try to get it to Graham a couple times and he was double and triple covered while he had other receivers open in man. Defintely NOT seeing the field for whatever reason.

In short, the line may have issues, but players dropping passes (Colston, Sproles, Graham), catching the ball 6 yds deep and then trying to run the ball out of the endzone (Cadet), failing to scramble with the ball when there's an open field (Brees), and allowing seams in return coverage so large you could slide a Mack truck through...SIDEWAYS (special teams).

These are just a few things I saw. Not a good nite to be rocking my Saints gear, because in the second half, I was laughed right out of the stadium on Sunday!

In closing, perhaps #9 should stop making so many flippin' commercials and focus more on the game? Guess the fat contract wasn't enough for his wallet... :puke:

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

I think there are some unknowns that need to be considered.

WE hate the play calling, I cant believe Drew Brees likes it any much more.

Unless i am dead wrong, with the exception of the 2 min offense which is fairly scripted the plays are dictated from the sidelines. Drw can call audibles but in the absence of DAD, we have no clue if there is a struggle between Vitt and Carmicheal on the play calling.

Drew does make some bad throws but that could be a combination of BAD play calling and Drew (any QB) just not being able to see the ENTIRE field.

Quote from Troy Aikman last night in the Texans game against the Patriots. "even at 6'4" I had trouble seeing over 6'7" linemen."

Another comment on Bradys prep for the Texans (6'4"). In practice all week Brady had defensive linemen waiving paddles in the air so he could work on seeing AROUND things.

A great many people are basing judgements on knowing a possible 40% of the equation.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

I think the judgement needs to now be next year. Get the foundation of our offensive gameplan back (Payton) and see how we respond. If we can't perhaps the issues are beyond play-calling/unit cohesion/protection/ forcing things.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

Some for sure.
That O line is not what we had last year.
Worse:
That O line is not even got the personnel we hoped we would have from the start of the season.

So in that respect, Brees has had to work harder to drive the offence.

Continuing:
Some of our receivers have dropped more passes that they should be expected to have done. Statistically, that contributes to Brees looking like he has problems.

But:
There are times he does decent protection and his passes are downright very poor.

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What a horrible waste of money he was. I have seen countless players fall off the map after getting paid but I did not think it would happen with Brees. How much of a cap hit will we have to take if we got rid of him?

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

Here's my take:

1) Drew is pressing. This, first and foremost, is the reason for the bad play. He feels the need to carry the entire team because that's his nature and his nature is over-amplified because of SP being gone, because he feels the need to justify his contract, and because he feels like we need big leads with our questionable D.

2) Only slightly behind #1, our receivers are a disaster area. Look at the passes that have been dropped this year that wouldn't have been in previous years. Look at Graham not fighting for the ball consistently when last year he would have seemingly taken someone's head off if it was between him and the ball. If our receivers catch half of the EXTREMELY catchable balls they've been dropping, we're talking about 7-10 point victories in most of the games where we've had close losses.

3) The O-Line has not been good. You can't (IMO) look at the plays where Drew throws the picks and say "well, he had protection on that play" when he's been getting the crap knocked out of him the rest of the season. That fouls up timing, confidence, etc.

4) I don't know why we're not running more. We start every game balanced, then after 20 plays we seem to be saying "Oh, my god! We're not up by 30! Throw the ball!" This is making us predictable and one-dimensional. I think a lot of those picks are coming because defenders who should be on the look out for the run are able to spy Drew and jump routes.

5) And this is sort of the basket that's carrying 1-4, we don't have our coach. SP is the one who would be able to get Drew to relax. SP would get the play calling straightened out (although, I do think he called too many pass plays as well, but I think he would at least get the timing of when to call which play more reasonably timed). I don't know what he would do about the O-Line, but I bet if Kromer was working with them all year instead of having to worry about being interim coach they would have gelled a lot sooner than week 12 (ish).

I don't know. This season has been brutal. To have our guys do so poorly and have teams I hate (Niners, Pats, Packers, Falcons) do so well...I really am trying to look on the bright side, that our issues are fixable in the offseason. Hopefully SP will sign soon and the biggest distraction we'll have in the offseason will be Graham's contract situation...although, the way he's played this year, I can't see him having too much leverage at this point.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

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Here's my take...
What a bunch of ingrates you all are for questioning Brees. The guy delivered a Super Bowl to what was a dumpster fire of a franchise. I was laughed at in grammar school, high school and college for being a Saints fan. The team was a joke.
This dude (with help) totally delivered us to the NFL elite. We were relvant. That is worth $200 million.
Brees' drive and attention to detail are un-matched.
See here:
He is just having a bad year. The team is having a bad year. That's it.
Without a head coach (who's the team's play caller), questioned week after week about Bounty gate... it was too much overcome.
You all should have seen it coming.
The challenge was unprecedented. The NFL took down the cocky kid, thy won this battle.
But we will be back.
Remember what you now...
And believe me when I say, Drew Brees will be the trigger man.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

We are going to make the Super Bowl, and we are going to win.

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#3 is the reason for #4... However, You are pretty much spot on with all of it. I whole hardheartedly agree...

That sort of logic will make you not popular with some.. :bugeyes:

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

Our defense has actually been getting better. We had Eli in check most of the game and got two interceptions off of him. The kickoff return Tds and the stalled 4th/1 drive that resulted in a fg was what lost us this game and because of those the saints played defeated. But we might need to work on the offense some. I'm getting tired of the other top qbs having big receivers while Brees doesnt have that(Graham is a TE). I just want to see what Brees could do with a Julio Jones type receiver on the team.

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

You're out of your WHO DAT mind if you want to go into 2013 season with the current defense and not upgrading. The defense has gotten better but only from a hot garbage point of view...

The Giants just put up 50 points on them!!

Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
 

Well, Julio Jones is listed as 6-3 and 220 while Colston is listed as 6-4 and 225, so as far as their stature goes - Colston is as big of a receiver as Jones is.

Naturally the two are different in their skill-sets and how they are used in their respective offenses, but as you made the statement about the stature of the receivers, I think that point is moot.

Also, Nick Toon is listed as 6-3 (6-4 by the Saints) and 218, so he is another receiver the Saints will most likely have in their arsenal next season who is of the same stature as Julio Jones.