Why shouldn't Goodell get fined??
 

So... who holds Goodell accountable for his mistakes??? He fines coaches, referees and players for their mistakes. It's about time somebody fines his stupid a$$ for his idiotic handling of the bounty case.
Yes, I know I'm being a bit sarcastic here - I guess he won't fine himself. But seriously, some type of punishment should be administered.

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This whole situation with having to bring in Tagliabue should show that he is inept and incapable of being the commissioner. His new title should be "Former NFL Commissioner, Roger Goodell". However, it will probably just been seen as a "whoopsie" and this SOB will still be in charge for years to come.

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Come on man! Lets practice a little reality.

Are you saying Goodell shouldnt be held accountable for his mistakes?
I know he won't get fined but seriously, someone needs to check that fool.

Exactly - unfortunately i think you're totally right.
Coaches and players don't trust this guy. Its obvious that his only agenda is about the bottom line and protecting the league from lawsuits. The guy operates from a position of fear so he rules like a dictator. What a coward.

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Vilma may be the one who fines Roger! If he continues and wins his defamation case... LOL

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Goodel should not be fined, he should be flat out fired. His actions were arbitratry and capricious. Tag's statement, though protective of the NFL as expected, clearly states that the punishment that Goodel handed out to the players was excessive and not consistent with the "crime" or prior NFL actions.

In short, Goodel's actions, including the way he managed the situation and associated press releases and statement were not in the "best interest of the game."

If I owned a company where an senior officer mismanaged a major issue to the extent that this has been, he would be terminated. That still may happen but I think that the owners will likely wait until the smoke has cleared on the entire issue. So, expect any action to occur after the 2013 Superbowl. If nothing happens and Goodel keeps his job, then he obviously has evidence against the league regarding the head injury issue and is blackmailing them.

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I am saying exactly what you said when you said "he wont get fined seriously"...

1. There is no one to fine him.
2. CEOs dont get fined.
3. There is no vehicle to fine him through.


The actual realistic action that "should" happen is that the Owners should hold him accountable for "conduct detrimental to the league" for making this personal which he admitted to (not in words) when he recused him self.

What SHOULD happen is that this off season he is replaced. But you and I will not see that happen in that framing. What we would see is that he would be told by the owners to step down for his own personal reasons, but that would entail him being given compensation for that... His contract with the NFL has a crap load of protections for him.

However Goodell has all he needs to shirk most of the blame, NFL lawyers vetted and advised on each and every one of his actions.

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One wonders if Roger can run the league in good faith anymore. It's not a stretch at all to say the players have no faith in him. It is clear that his agenda far out weighs whatever blocks it, and it is also clear that collateral damage is a mere afterthought.

I doubt he'll be fired, but he absolutely SHOULD be.

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Goodell is employed by the owners, no player faith is needed.


People thought I was nuts in regards to my conspiracy theory. Goodell will not be punished because he was preforming the OWNERS deeds.

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This is true because the owners are also worried about future lawsuits taking money out of their pockets. The real, long-term problem is not about lawsuits, though. It's about the integrity of the game, and a huge factor in determining this is how the commissioner handles conflict. Goodell has already shown that he has a tendency to over-react. I understand that we need to do what we can to prevent concussions and other unnecessary injuries (i.e. chop blocks), but to fine someone for "tackling too hard" is like punishing a NASCAR driver for driving too fast.
On top of that, it seems like his desire is to leave legacy that changes the way the game is played - example: cutting out kickoffs.
All I can say is this guy needs to GO!

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If only the players would have stood their ground, this ******** wouldn't hold all the power right now. Yeah I'm mad at Goddell but some of the blame needs to be given to the NFLPA too

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ALL of it really goes on the PA if you do the reverse engineering and go back to "how did Goodell get his power over the players". The NFLPA gave it to him through the CBA.

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Players have alreadt stated they don't trust him... That means nothing. Goodell is hired by the owners to run thier busniess. In order for Goodell to be fired He'd have to piss off more than 1 owner. However other owners could see this as a big problem and fire him.... but fact is too many people continue to watch every week and unless you're a Saints fan.... this has been old news since April.

truth is noone cares so i honestly think this will be swept under the rug.
We won't get our money nor our picks back and SP will be out until the Super Bowl. :(

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You don't think the players' lack of faith in the leader of the league is needed?

I disagree.

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I know that the owners of at least three teams (Saints, Cowgirls, Redstains) sure don't have any love for the ginger hammer

It's not much, I know, but its a start

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Nope, its not needed. Goodell is not the players leader. He is the administrator of the league. The players need faith in their coaches, and that is where it stops. Goodell is so far removed from their local chain of command and leadership he is not even thought of. He is perceived as a corporate CEO and those guys are well... just suits in New York.

Example: I was in the Army and Desert Storm/Shield, I needed to have faith in my leadership (Section Chief/Platoon Sergeant/First Sergeant). I didnt need to have faith in George Bush (President), Dick Cheney (Secretary of Defense), etc... Division Sergeant Major and Commander were about as high as I cared about, but the leadership that was needed was in my general AO every day.

How many employees or corporations give two craps about their CEO or look to him for leadership or inspiration? Virtually none in a company the size of the NFL.

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Correct, I would be willing to wager he would have to piss off at least 17 for the vote to pass to get rid of him, and usually the required vote % in situations like this require more than 53%... usually its along the lines of 75% or greater.

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Godhell should lose his job over this because the owners have to be upset about the way this has been handled.

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"If" the owners were "upset" during any part of this they could have stopped it or replaced him right then and there.

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• Goodell is not going to lose his job over this.
• Goodell is not going to be fined for overreacting on player suspensions.
• Tagliabue was called in to save face for the front office because they were about to be DESTROYED in the civil lawsuit (and NO trolls, the NFL would not have destroyed Vilma in the appeals court because they probably would not have accepted the case; and NO trolls, Judge Berrigan is a federal judge who is NOT elected to office, so it's no "homer" ruling - it's federal court - this isn't My Cousin Vinny)
• Read what Tagliabue said. He blamed it ALL on the coaches and exonerated the players, but Tags went out his way to explain his belief in a Bounty thing WITHOUT evidence coming to light.
• Biggest travesty here is the NFL pushes heat of the players and players union off their backs and the EVIDENCE STILL HAS NEVER SEEN THE DAY OF LIGHT.
• Goodell will ALWAYS turn to Tagliabue's ruling and reference that as his proof of a bounty, when no proof or evidence has ever been shown.

On a separate note, Tom Benson and Jerry Jones are NOT buddies, rather they are rivals. And YES we can all thank Jones for helping to kick Benson in the nads for trying to move the team to San Antonio - not because Jones is a great guy, rather another team in his backyard further hurts sales of merchandise and crap for his beloved Cowgirls.

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I didn't say he was the player's leader - I said he is the leader of the league. The fact that the key element in the league's success - the players - have no faith in the man is not merely academic IMO.

I can tell you during my time with Google - a lack of faith in Larry and Sergey and Eric would have been a very BIG deal.

We agree to disagree.

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Different environment. Players are separated from Corporate by a few levels, and a few thousand miles in the NFL.

Players are not office people, faith in a CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder. Players are at the bottom of the ladder, like soldiers in the military.

In terms of affecting their performance on the field, you are going to have to explain that to me. Players in the NFL play to win on the field whether Goodell is the Comhish or Jesus Christ him self is the Commish...

The League and the Commissioner are viewed as the enemy to players. They get their leadership from the team and the Players Union.

Maybe this example will help: Just like with auto workers... Ford/GM etc... CEOs are the enemy. They don't need faith in them, they have a union because they HAVE NO FAITH.

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Not fined........FIRED.

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Faith in the CEO depends on where you are in the corporate ladder? I disagree. Completely in fact. No, the robots don't care, but many do.

I don't think I made any reference to their performance on the field. At the very least the players having a commish they respect is good for the league.

You are right about the league being viewed as the enemy - and now more than ever before - which is pretty much my point. The more Roger pushes his unfair agenda the more you are going to see players pushing back.

If you disagree that what's best for the league is a good relationship between the players and the league then we disagree.

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Good relationships amongst all is always a good thing. However the players having faith in the Commissioner is not a requirement and they do not look to him for leadership any more than a College athlete looks to the Chairman of the NCAA for leadership. The dependance on Leadership for athletes and faith in the leadership truncated.

I am not sure you are taking into account that the frame of mind regular employees is vastly different from football players who only care about getting PAID. These are people who are willing to risk health and life each week to get paid.... not many employees are willing to do that.

At the very minimum, I think that the players at least respected Rozelle and Tagliabue. I don't think they feel the same about Goodell.

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I didn't say blind faith in the Commish is a requirement and I didn't say any player looks to Roger for leadership. I said Roger can no longer run the league in good faith in the eyes of the players - which is to mean they were always suspicious of him. Now they have evidence of it. That's not good.

I don't have to take into account someone who's digging a ditch or a college athlete. It isn't relevant to the point I'm making. Tell the players their lack of faith in their dishonest commish doesn't matter. It matters enough that they fought for reduced power from that office.

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Where is Donald Trump when you need him?

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as long as he turns a profit he is safe.

ok who is doing the class action suite against the nfl for lost revenue for the city over this? thats their number one selling point when they want tax money to keep the teams in town every 10 years or so

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Why shouldn't Goodell get fined??

He should.

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Yeah, sorry have to agree. When ever a corporation is mishandled and legal proceeding begin, it is common, if not standard, for the board of directors to do a investigation of the CEO and the allegations.

A investigation should be started on Goodells investigation and the steps they took, as well as the lawyers involved. Its in the best interest of the NFL to find out why the lawyers clearly messed things up, and Goodell as well.

Then he and they should be fined or fired on the outcome. Never happen though,because they would look bad.

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The catch here pherein is that the owners do not need to do an investigation. They did not wake up one morning and find a train wreck, they watched the entire train wreck happen from start to finish and did nothing to stop it. So its either incompetence on the Owners or they agreed with what transpired.

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I get it.. your an idealist. The realist in me says if the players had any modicum of faith that the League was looking out for their best interest there would be no need for a Players Union.

Your original response is ...faith from the players in the leader of the league is needed.

I still contend that 1. It is not needed. 2. Goodell is not perceived as the players leader.

BTW Goodell's salary is $20MM / yr. Talk about having the wool pulled over the owners' eyes!

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Good.... he can afford a multi-million $ settlement for Vilma and the class action suit!

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And we agree to disagree, for the reasons I've stated and those of others. One thing is for sure and for certain. Roger will think long and hard before he pulls this crap again, because he knows the players will take his ass to court. That's not good for the league. You may call me an idealist, but in fact I'm a realist. If the relationship between the players and the league was bad, it is now worse, and Roger would have to extend himself a great deal to overcome it - something we know he will not do. The next time the rubber meets the road, is a player or coach or owner going to accept the judgement from the league office blindly or will we see legal proceedings again?

In fact I'm not drawing correlations. I believe it is me who is the realist. Time will tell.

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On thing that is missed is a plus for the League. The coffers for the NFLPA have been severely depleted during this battle. They are less effective now at fighting the league.

All Roger has to do to avoid court is make no public statement. He is not being drug to court for abuse of power... understand that. He is being drug through court because he spoke publicly about Vilma before there was a final decision. This is a defamation lawsuit... Not an abuse of power lawsuit. Had Goodell been quiet in the media the only people who spoke negatively against Vilma were Willams and the other a-hole making claims.

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I wonder if Will Smith and others will follow Vilma's lead with their very own defamation suit against Herr Goodell?

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Me too. Smith has hinted that he might - or maybe that's just my interpretation of some of his comments. He and the others certainly should IMO.