Is Mark Ingram Wasting Away in the Bayou?

Rugby Saint II · 01-12-2013, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Trent Richardson is better.

Eddie Lacey could be as well.

Let's face it - Ingram was an emotional pick for Sean Payton. Anyone remember Payton's son clamoring for his Dad to pick Ingram in the draft??

He promised his son he would draft Ingram and then he traded for the pick after we already used our first rounder.
I don't remember who we drafted ahead of him. Cam Jordan is the only first round player that ha panned out.

AlaskaSaints · 01-12-2013, 12:46 PM

Ivory's hamstrings suffer from going from NO work to OVER work. If we played him consistently he may not me so lame. Seriously.

It's not like he's breaking his collarbone crushing tacklers, he's going from squatting for weeks at a time to adrenalin-fueled explosiveness. His hams aren't conditioned for that.

Play da man until he BREAKS. Then you will have injury to complain about.

Explosive back, but like a race horse, he needs to be RUN.

Alaska

Danno · 01-12-2013, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

Ivory's hamstrings suffer from going from NO work to OVER work. If we played him consistently he may not me so lame. Seriously.

It's not like he's breaking his collarbone crushing tacklers, he's going from squatting for weeks at a time to adrenalin-fueled explosiveness. His hams aren't conditioned for that.

Play da man until he BREAKS. Then you will have injury to complain about.

Explosive back, but like a race horse, he needs to be RUN.

Alaska

Except that its not always his hamstrings. Its knee one week, ankle the next, then hamstring, then back to ankle, then shoulder, then foot, etc...

UK_WhoDat · 01-12-2013, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

I'm going to say next year will be his year.

I think so too

saintsfan403 · 01-12-2013, 09:13 PM

PT is a proven back and our work horse, he'll be staying.

Sproles is a matchup nightmare, you can't cover him with a LB and to cover him with a DB means opening up Graham or Colston.

When Ingram got healthy in the last half of the season, looked real good. I doubt they will get rid of him after essentially half a season of production.

Ivory hasn't been able to stay healthy, nor does he have the pedigree that Ingram does...but I still wouldn't be surprised if Payton keeps them all...I mean he's been sitting around for an entire season scheming and plotting his revenge.

Marlboro Man · 01-12-2013, 10:13 PM

Yeah, that 2.35 yards per carry sure does wow me.

hagan714 · 01-13-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

My belief is he is more suited for a program where running the ball is emphasized more. Maybe the Jets, or possibly behind MJD in Jacksonville. And he deserves an opportunity to either sink or swim. I think we need to have one feature back (PT) and a 3rd down guy (Sproles) and then move both Ingram and Ivory if possible. We have too many cooks in the kitchen at RB. If Ingram should fail as a feature guy with either us or another team at least he was given every opportunity, and if he should succeed, then good for him.

agree 100%

I think the saints want to run more than they but they are a few players on the OL away from doing that. RT and a True blocking TE would go a long way to solving the issue.
OC is an area of concern in my book but so far i have to believe we need to wait to address that if the play there does not improve.

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

PT is a proven back and our work horse, he'll be staying.

Sproles is a matchup nightmare, you can't cover him with a LB and to cover him with a DB means opening up Graham or Colston.

When Ingram got healthy in the last half of the season, looked real good. I doubt they will get rid of him after essentially half a season of production.

Ivory hasn't been able to stay healthy, nor does he have the pedigree that Ingram does...but I still wouldn't be surprised if Payton keeps them all...I mean he's been sitting around for an entire season scheming and plotting his revenge.

PT is the true heart and soul of the saints running game and may i reach here?, the team at RB. He has the ability to multi cut before hitting the line and sneaking through gaps Ingram could only dream off getting through. PT is sneaky quick

Mark is more of a north south. smash mouth, one cut wonder. He needs holes to be opened for him.

Sproles is a matchup nightmare

Ivory hasn't been able to stay healthy - end of story

Cadet seems to have a lot of promise. I want to see him work more with jug machine and become a threat at WR as well as RB.

All that said the saints running game would benefit from some new blood on the OL and at TE for blocking.

01-12-2013, 12:09 PM	#21
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,250	Re: Is Mark Ingram Wasting Away in the Bayou? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Trent Richardson is better. Eddie Lacey could be as well. Let's face it - Ingram was an emotional pick for Sean Payton. Anyone remember Payton's son clamoring for his Dad to pick Ingram in the draft?? He promised his son he would draft Ingram and then he traded for the pick after we already used our first rounder. I don't remember who we drafted ahead of him. Cam Jordan is the only first round player that ha panned out.

01-12-2013, 12:46 PM	#22
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is Mark Ingram Wasting Away in the Bayou? Ivory's hamstrings suffer from going from NO work to OVER work. If we played him consistently he may not me so lame. Seriously. It's not like he's breaking his collarbone crushing tacklers, he's going from squatting for weeks at a time to adrenalin-fueled explosiveness. His hams aren't conditioned for that. Play da man until he BREAKS. Then you will have injury to complain about. Explosive back, but like a race horse, he needs to be RUN. Alaska

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Re: Is Mark Ingram Wasting Away in the Bayou? Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints Ivory's hamstrings suffer from going from NO work to OVER work. If we played him consistently he may not me so lame. Seriously. It's not like he's breaking his collarbone crushing tacklers, he's going from squatting for weeks at a time to adrenalin-fueled explosiveness. His hams aren't conditioned for that. Play da man until he BREAKS. Then you will have injury to complain about. Explosive back, but like a race horse, he needs to be RUN. Alaska Except that its not always his hamstrings. Its knee one week, ankle the next, then hamstring, then back to ankle, then shoulder, then foot, etc... CharityMike likes this.

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,005	Re: Is Mark Ingram Wasting Away in the Bayou? Originally Posted by QBREES9 I'm going to say next year will be his year. I think so too

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saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Is Mark Ingram Wasting Away in the Bayou? PT is a proven back and our work horse, he'll be staying. Sproles is a matchup nightmare, you can't cover him with a LB and to cover him with a DB means opening up Graham or Colston. When Ingram got healthy in the last half of the season, looked real good. I doubt they will get rid of him after essentially half a season of production. Ivory hasn't been able to stay healthy, nor does he have the pedigree that Ingram does...but I still wouldn't be surprised if Payton keeps them all...I mean he's been sitting around for an entire season scheming and plotting his revenge. hagan714 likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Is Mark Ingram Wasting Away in the Bayou? Originally Posted by bobdog86 My belief is he is more suited for a program where running the ball is emphasized more. Maybe the Jets, or possibly behind MJD in Jacksonville. And he deserves an opportunity to either sink or swim. I think we need to have one feature back (PT) and a 3rd down guy (Sproles) and then move both Ingram and Ivory if possible. We have too many cooks in the kitchen at RB. If Ingram should fail as a feature guy with either us or another team at least he was given every opportunity, and if he should succeed, then good for him. agree 100% I think the saints want to run more than they but they are a few players on the OL away from doing that. RT and a True blocking TE would go a long way to solving the issue. OC is an area of concern in my book but so far i have to believe we need to wait to address that if the play there does not improve. Originally Posted by saintsfan403 PT is a proven back and our work horse, he'll be staying. Sproles is a matchup nightmare, you can't cover him with a LB and to cover him with a DB means opening up Graham or Colston. When Ingram got healthy in the last half of the season, looked real good. I doubt they will get rid of him after essentially half a season of production. Ivory hasn't been able to stay healthy, nor does he have the pedigree that Ingram does...but I still wouldn't be surprised if Payton keeps them all...I mean he's been sitting around for an entire season scheming and plotting his revenge. PT is the true heart and soul of the saints running game and may i reach here?, the team at RB. He has the ability to multi cut before hitting the line and sneaking through gaps Ingram could only dream off getting through. PT is sneaky quick Mark is more of a north south. smash mouth, one cut wonder. He needs holes to be opened for him. Sproles is a matchup nightmare Ivory hasn't been able to stay healthy - end of story Cadet seems to have a lot of promise. I want to see him work more with jug machine and become a threat at WR as well as RB. All that said the saints running game would benefit from some new blood on the OL and at TE for blocking.
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