What did Ryan learn in Dallas?
 

Something we're likely to see him do in New Orleans.


Rob Ryan thinks he tried to install too much defense, too quickly | ProFootballTalk

Cowboys defensive coordinator Rob Ryan blames himself for some of the struggles of the Dallas defense last season, saying that when he got to work after the lockout, he threw the whole defense at his team at once, instead of giving his players the time to slowly pick up the playbook.

Ryan, who was hired by the Cowboys last year, told Ian Rapoport of NFL.com that if he had it to do all over again, he’d just introduce basic concepts at first and expand as the season went on.

“When we look back at ourselves, reevaluate, I think I started too fast,” Ryan said. “I put in the accelerated program without English 101, which I always struggled with. You have to have a foundation. . . . It’s like getting a tutor. My kid gets a tutor, he gets 90s in math. He doesn’t? Forties. We need 90s or 100s.”

The Cowboys’ defense got better with the arrival of Ryan last season, and he’s confident that the defense will continue to improve with an offseason of installing the defense the way he wants.

“It just takes time to re-teach everything, get the fundamentals,” Ryan said. “We’re going to teach at a slower pace so we can actually learn. We tried to slow it down [in 2011], and it was a little tough for us. I got to look in the mirror, and that’s on me. I’m a better teacher than that. We come back to square one, and it’s gonna be great.”

JJ is a sack

So Rob Ryan himself hit on why I wanted Grantham...

The installation experience.

Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas?
 

Ryan's installed it. Made mistakes. Sounds like he learned from it.

I'd rather have the guy who's ready to prove himself.

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Wade Phillips, now considered a real good DC, started somewhere too. Just how long did it take for him to excel?

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welcome to the middle of the road defense at best. how long did we sign a contract for with robbie boy?

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Isn't that what we had with GW?

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Middle of the road is a hell of a lot better that historically worst.

I don't get what some of u guys want? People act like there was someone out there that was going to make us the 85 Bears within a 2 years or something. Be real......this is a offensive oriented team...when thats your team's identity all you need is a middle of the road defense. I think this guy has a ****ish personality but people have to compartmentalize and actually look at what this scheme and what he can possibly do for us. This team has shown it responds to fiery guys like GW and Rob. So at the very least for the 1st 2 years your going to get a D that won't play soft like they did under Spags and actually help this team instead of hurt it. They might make mistakes but they'll keep fighting.

Yes he's never took a defense to the playoffs but look at the offenses he had to work with. I know I wasn't on board at first but I'm looking at the positives. Forget his personality, forget what you've heard about him. He's here now...he's a Saint accept it, support and hope for the best. I for one am more excited about the scheme that seems to fit the talent we have and the talent we can get than my feelings for the coordinator. Cuz he hasn't even coached a game for the Saints yet....

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middle of the road defense + #1 rated offense = Legitimate Super-Bowl potential!

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Speaking of Mr. Wade, where in the hell did his defense go the last few weeks of regular season and into the playoffs? Geez...it got ugly.

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God I just hope he can teach them to tackle. We had a lot of big plays against us because of poor tackling. Flopping in front of a ball carrier doesn't usually bring them down......unless they trip!:cool:

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You coud have a point.
Baltimore Ravens was 17th ranked defense!

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True Dat.

And then there was positioning, with our unique lets stand off by several yards defense

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AKA Spaggin':p

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I would rather have the guy that has shown he has already learned from his mistakes, and exhibited the result from his learning.

Someone proven.

I would also rather a guy that can anticipate mistakes happening and take corrective action BEFORE they happen. This is called adjusting on the fly, EG. Sean Payton.

Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas?
 

That reminds me of 2007/08 when folks were ready to jettison Sean Payton. :p

Ryan was a damn good DC in Dallas IMO. He was made the scapegoat by a team that, let's face it, won't be accused of making the most rational decisions.

You wanted an installer - you've got one.

You wanted aggressive - you've got one.

Look all the things that the media is bagging on Ryan for is exactly what his players - his ALPHA MALE players - love and revel about him.

Perfection? No. But I do expect to see a dramatic improvement.

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Spot on. I think this offense is a perfect match for an agressive attacking risk taking defense, and its apparent thats exactly what we're still shooting for. We still need a few playmakers sprinkled in but the roux is ready to go.

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Clearly what Payton wants. Why else would he go out and hire "GW Light"?

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I just want a defense good enough to where people are concerned about them.
Our offense will take care of the rest and make it look even worse.
Remember we just need to keep people under 28 points a game. Not hard having the best offense around

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We need more than that. Pressure sacks, coverage sacks, tackling, interceptions... All these have been glaringly missing from our defense for years.

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Exactly how I would have described him. We loved that pressure type defense. We craved that pressure type defense. We missed that pressure type defense. We just need it tweaked a little so we aren't as wreckless as we were under Williams.

With that said, even though we were wreckless and played poorly towards the end of Williams' tenure, had we tackled better... the results would have been much better. It wasn't really as bad as it looked had players just finished their job.

The Sean Payton comparison is a good a good fit for keeping Spags and not hiring Ryan.

I want an installer... As pointed out Ryan hasn't done that yet.

I want an aggressive defense, I don't particularly care for a flamboyant coach. 2012 was enough drama for me for a while.

So here is my point. On a 1-10 scale Spags is a 0 and Ryan is a 5... A 17 ranked defense. We had a 5 DC before, his name was Williams and people wanted him gone near the end of 2012. Now all of a sudden people are happy with mediocrity.

Some of the same people that wanted a top 10 defense are now ecstatic at the possibility of one ranked 16.

So we shoot for the middle at a time when we can shoot for the top. All it takes for our offense to fall from grace is a couple of key injuries and we are sucking hind tit again.

Romeo is still the choice we should have made at any expense. There is no coaches cap.

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I don't think you can judge Ryan's future success here based on his previous jobs. He was with the top 3 most disfunctional franchises in all of the NFL.

And as many have pointed out he was coaching a top 5 unit before injuries to his star players started multiplying.

I don't care if the guy has a mouth and ego bigger than Rosanne Barr as long as he gets the job done.

And the GW comparisons hold no water. They are 2 different coaches and two different systems. The ONLY thing they have in common is they're aggressive, vocal and cocky. I'm perfectly OK with that if it yields results.

We're converting to the 3-4 and we hired one of the best available for the job. He may not be Romeo Crennel, my personal favorite, but he's not that far removed from it either.

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Ryan > Spags

So if one does not base anticipation on history, what does one base it on?

Now if your going to say give him a shot.... Fair enough.

If your going to say there is something in his past that proves he can be successful, I just don't see it.

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I'd consider taking abysmal franchises and making them halfway respectable pretty successful.

When Sean Payton was hired many questioned why we'd hire an offensive minded coach who was so bad at play calling that he had his play calling duties taken away from him. That worked out OK.

The Pats decided to hire a coach that was a total failure in Cleveland. He's now the most respected coach in all of the NFL and likely a 1st ballot hall of famer.

Wade Phillips, another DC with an up and down record, took the worst ranked defense in the entire NFL and made them one of the best, in just one season.

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Oak, if Ryan has coached his father's offense since day one, how is that not installing it in New Orleans?

Don't take end of the season statistics as a complete indicator of success. And before you call me Randy Moss - think about the bumbling offenses Ryan shared the sidelines with.

So we are getting Wade or Belichick?

Lets see how Belichick does after Brady. Their success has been tied together since Brady's third start I believe it was. And while the perception is that Robert Krafts move of stealing him from the Jets was brilliant, his decisions didn't fair quite as well with Pete Carrol before that.


I understand your point, you listed a few Cinderella stories. The odds are not on our side.

You completely lost me with the first paragraph. His father has an offense and its coming to New Orleans?

On the second, is never call you the greatest wife receiver of all time . :P

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No... but I bet ol Robby will wreak havoc on the New Orleans dining scene that will be considered OFFENSIVE

defense, i meant defense. :dunce:

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L = Last
HL = Historically Last

0 = L > HL > Spags = (Ryan > (< 0 ))

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We're getting neither Wade or Belichick, we're getting Rob Ryan. Just as we got Sean Payton instead of every other candidate someone else wanted.

You can point out all the suspect hires that didn't work out just as easily as I can point out the ones that did.

Look, I hope it turns out fantasmical! We could use a great defense to support our offense, or Robs fathers offense :P.

I just don't see it yet as clearly as you and Danno apparently.

After last season, I'm a Missourian on Rob Ryan.

Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas?
 

Ok TheOak.

As long as you do mean Show Me and you are not being a misery

Re: What did Ryan learn in Dallas?
 

Good question what did he learn in Dallas

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:-) honestly what Rob Ryan may or may not have learned in Dallas is nearly undebatable. Unless someone comes up with a list of lessons learned written by Rob him self the rest is pure speculation, and even then it does not mean he will take corrective action. Some people never learn, some people make habit of repeating the same mistakes time and time again hoping for a different outcome.

On that note I would say two bad spots in a row on teams that have been proclaimed to be damaged and somewhat dysfunctional tells me he didn't learn anything from the first one to avoid the second one.

What Rob Ryan is or isn't capable of, what he has or has not learned will only be quantified @ or around week 6 of the 2013 NFL season.


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