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frankeefrank 02-25-2013 04:47 PM

As a Brees contract defender, this doesn't help
 
I am a big time Brees Contract defender...
But this (and the $100 million) won't help my job.
Tom Brady signs $27M three-year extension with Patriots - CBSSports.com

gvicknair 02-25-2013 04:59 PM

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I am inclined to agree. Love the man, but we are in dire straits as far as money is concerned, and a lot has to do with his current contract.

WhoDat!656 02-25-2013 05:40 PM

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If the Saints don't pay him what he is worth, another team will and then what are we going to do?

pherein 02-25-2013 05:44 PM

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well apparently Jimmy Graham wants Quarterback money, so let him pass the ball.

thefifthwall 02-25-2013 05:51 PM

The problem is not with Drew's contract.
The problem or crime is paying the worse defense in the history of the NFL almost the same as you pay one of the best offenses in history. Come up with a list of defenders that "earned" their salary and you will see the problem.

saintsfan403 02-25-2013 07:11 PM

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I see a lot of blame for our poor performance on Drew's contract and his play...have people forgot how bad our defence was last season? It sucks that Drew threw a couple of picks, but he shouldn't have to play lights out for us to have a chance (or throw as much as he had too, that's the result of having a piss poor defence)...it all comes back to our disgustingly poor defence.

RockyMountainSaint 02-25-2013 07:15 PM

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Giselle's salary > Brittany's salary

Tom's household can absorb the pay cut much more easily.

WhoDat!656 02-25-2013 08:36 PM

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And now you know the rest of the story!

“Less money” for Brady in the future could get others to take “less money” now | ProFootballTalk

Budsdrinker 02-25-2013 08:54 PM

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I'm all for getting paid as much as you can but let's not forget we once had a pretty damn good QB back in the 70's but nothing else around him and we didn't do so good. I like money but I also hate to lose so I would have been looking for a happy medium if I were in Drew's shoes, but that's just me.

Rugby Saint II 02-25-2013 09:16 PM

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"It is what it is".........to quote Belichick.

aintasinner 02-25-2013 09:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 482023)
I'm all for getting paid as much as you can but let's not forget we once had a pretty damn good QB back in the 70's but nothing else around him and we didn't do so good. I like money but I also hate to lose so I would have been looking for a happy medium if I were in Drew's shoes, but that's just me.

If someone was willing to pay me $100 million to do my job I would take it. Sure we had Manning in the 70s and, yes, we had no one else around him to produce any wins, but that is not the case now. We have an excellent team that didn't perform well last season for a lot of reasons. Our defense certainly needs improving and I think we will see that happen with Payton's return and a new defensive coordinator. Also, Archie was the highest paid player in the league at one point in his Saints career just as Drew is now. Drew certainly has a lot more to work with than he did so let's see how this season plays out before we call him out for his large paycheck. Down the road, if restructuring is needed, I think Drew will step up.

jeanpierre 02-25-2013 11:15 PM

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Drew has never won a League MVP and has only one Lombardi; had a problem with his contract demands and his agent formerly known as Galactus, the destroyer of salary caps and competitive teams...

spkb25 02-26-2013 05:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 481982)
If the Saints don't pay him what he is worth, another team will and then what are we going to do?

About sums it up man. That's what happens when you have top 3 or 4 in the game

spkb25 02-26-2013 05:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 482056)
Drew has never won a League MVP and has only one Lombardi; had a problem with his contract demands and his agent formerly known as Galactus, the destroyer of salary caps and competitive teams...

Just to be sure I have this right, and I am not trying to be a jerk

1 with him
0 without

1 little caveat- that was what... 40 years without him and 6 with. I don't know, but I like the way the 1 in 6 years sounds.

And you're attempting to use that to justify why we shouldn't have paid the man, correct?

spkb25 02-26-2013 05:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thefifthwall (Post 481986)
The problem is not with Drew's contract.
The problem or crime is paying the worse defense in the history of the NFL almost the same as you pay one of the best offenses in history. Come up with a list of defenders that "earned" their salary and you will see the problem.

This makes a whole lot of sense!

TheOak 02-26-2013 06:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 481982)
If the Saints don't pay him what he is worth, another team will and then what are we going to do?


Prepare to defend against him....

With our defense .:brood:

xan 02-26-2013 07:06 AM

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Not that this wasn't in another thread, but...

You cannot say that another team would have paid what we did because there wasn't a competitive bidding process. It is unclear, and intellectually dishonest, to say that his current salary is what the "market would bear." The Saints were in a competitive bidding situation in which their only competitor was themselves. Don't kid yourself that there were dozens of teams lining up to snatch him away for a franchise crushing $20 million a year. And, further, his original contract ($60 over 6) was a top 10 contract coming off a career threatening injury - so the specious argument that he was underpaid is not worthy of those bringing it up as a defense.

The data on skewed salary distributions does not support the argument that teams win when so much cap is concentrated on a few players. And don't cherry pick history when you argue, or you'll likely to be peer reviewed as a fraud.

AsylumGuido 02-26-2013 09:15 AM

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Comparing the new Brady contract to Brees' contract is like comparing apples to oranges. Brees has completely fulfilled his prior contract and was able to negfociate a new one. It was going to be the last major deal of his career. Brady, on the other hand, was approaching the end of his own personal major deal. He is older and could not expect another long term deal after the end of this one. Therefore, he agreed to an extension of his current deal which guaranteed additional income for two additional years with much of what he was owed in the final year of his current deal being pushed back into the last two years.

The same kind of "extension" can be worked out with Brees in 2015 when the first major cap hit is to take place. He will then be able to guarantee more of that back-end money that is not currently guaranteed and spread the cap hit out over an additional two years.

papz 02-26-2013 10:41 AM

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Updating previous items, Tom Brady's new five-year contract is worth $57 million with $33 million fully guaranteed.

Brady will receive $30 million in signing bonus payments over the first three seasons. His base salaries in 2013 and 2014 are now $1 million and $2 million, respectively. The contract is essentially fully guaranteed through 2015, as in 2016 the money Brady is owed becomes guaranteed for injury only. It's possible that the Patriots could approach Brady about another restructure after that point. For now, they have the future Hall of Famer under control through 2017 at an incredibly team- and cap-friendly rate.

Source: ESPN Boston

TheOak 02-26-2013 11:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 482143)
Updating previous items, Tom Brady's new five-year contract is worth $57 million with $33 million fully guaranteed.

Brady will receive $30 million in signing bonus payments over the first three seasons. His base salaries in 2013 and 2014 are now $1 million and $2 million, respectively. The contract is essentially fully guaranteed through 2015, as in 2016 the money Brady is owed becomes guaranteed for injury only. It's possible that the Patriots could approach Brady about another restructure after that point. For now, they have the future Hall of Famer under control through 2017 at an incredibly team- and cap-friendly rate.

Source: ESPN Boston

Which is the point behind Drews contract... While the size is a substantial hurdle, it could have been structured in a more cap friendly way.. Which it somewhat was for the first 3 years... Then like a jack in the box it comes to meet you in 2015... He could still restructure this year to help with the cap... The Fo can make it appealing to him but it doesn't come with out increased risk.

RockyMountainSaint 02-26-2013 12:01 PM

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Per Dan Patrick Show: Tom and Giselle's combined income last year was $76,000,000

RockyMountainSaint 02-26-2013 12:18 PM

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Tom Brady gets $30 million to sign | ProFootballTalk
So much for less money.

The new contract signed Monday by Pats quarterback Tom Brady pays him $27 million total over the final three years. But he was paid $30 million as a bonus for applying his name to the dotted line at the bottom of the document.

Per a source with knowledge of the contract, Brady received a $30 million signing. He’ll also receive a base salary of $1 million this year and $2 million in 2014.

This device, given the three new contract years, results in a cap number of $13.8 million in 2013 — $8 million less than the cap number under his prior deal. Of that amount, $6.8 million comes from past contracts. Another $6 million comes from the initial proration of the new signing bonus.

Next year, the cap number increases to $14.8 million.

The cap numbers for 2015, 2016, and 2017 will be $13 million, $14 million, and $15 million, respectively. In each year, $6 million is attributed to the $30 million signing bonus.

Over the next two years, Brady will make $33 million. Which is more than the nearly $30 million he was due to earn under the prior deal.

Less money, indeed.

RockyMountainSaint 02-26-2013 12:32 PM

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LOL!
The Secret Clauses in Tom Brady's New Contract*|*ProFootballMock.com

vpheughan 02-26-2013 04:47 PM

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That's right QB's like Brees grow on trees! No rhyme intended. Remember he missed training camp last year and it made is arm weak at the end of the season!! We can always get that guy from the Cardinals who can't throw up and hit anything!! I hear the Jets have two or three we could get.

Danno 02-26-2013 05:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 482222)
Remember he missed training camp last year and it made is arm weak at the end of the season!!

Huh? That does not compute.


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