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Hey .... watch your French in this here forum..... :jester::broccoli:

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Brown was also a RT and we moved him to LT. His rookie year he played 8 games at RT before getting hurt.We need someone who can start and he has the talent to. Fluker would give depth to a OT position that has the worst depth on the team.

The most important thing is now we have Butler, Bunkley, Lewis, Jordan and a couple others that escape my mind that have played and have experience in the 3-4 system.

If we can add Nnamdi that would make yet another player that knows the 3-4 system.

This transition is becoming smoother and smoother

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I think thats why I like the signing a bit more than the typical up & coming back-up with starter potential.

Every new coach likes to bring in a few players that already know his system and can help coach up the players around him.

Sort of a player/assistant coach kinda thing.

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Can you still play, Danno? You seem to know something about the 3-4 ... :wink:

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The way its going recently I'm about 3 po-boys from catching up to Rob Ryan.

Maybe a 2-gap NT for a 6' and under league?

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Yeah don't be cursing in french Oak

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Again I don't know a whole lot about Butler before the talk about him recently. I hope he's as good addition as all ya'll think. I'm just happy everyone else is so stoked. Gives me hope.

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After spending a couple of weeks visiting every other team in the league, I'd bet he threw a couple of zeros off the plane and came in cap friendly.

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Im the 6'0 cornerback the Saints need.

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No wait! I'm the 5'8" CB the Saints like! Plus I have a truck to pay off!

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If we had a 2nd rounder and we don't pick an OT in the first, then he'd be a solid choice. He would be a massive reach at #15, though. It would most likely be Lane Johnson if we pick a tackle first. I'm really not that high on any of the tackles who will be available when we pick, to be honest. But Johnson seems to be the best of them.

I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too.

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This is nuts. JJ is a jackass.

Cowboys’ 2009 draft class is no more | ProFootballTalk
Maybe Cowboys owner Jerry Jones should have fired Cowboys G.M. Jerry Jones, after all.

According to Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com, the departure of linebacker Victor Butler closes the books on the team’s 2009 draft class.

All 12 players taken that year by Jones the G.M. are now gone. The draft yielded no starters, and only six made it onto the 53-man roster.

Watkins has the full list of selections. A couple of names will be familiar. Most won’t.

The only good news for the Cowboys is that they wouldn’t have had the cap space this year to re-sign any of them, anyway.

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2009 has been a pretty good year for us so far...

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I predict Butler to have 12 sacks.

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true. they'll probably prefer you. i'm too big....although i've always loved some bump and run coverage....

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I think it's a good pick up

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I've personally always been more of a bump & grind kind of a player! ;-)


http://bf.img.v4.skyrock.net/5743/58...3_OzMmGn0d.jpg


I call that blanketing a receiver! :-)

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We won't have a shot at Ansah. Vaccaro should be there at 15, unless someone with a need at safety decides to trade up before our pick. However, everything that I've heard on Jarvis Jones is that his name is sliding. Unless your like me and value production, and of course what the tape showed you, then he would be a steal of a pick at 15 or lower. He sliding because of a bad pro day. But I don't need Jones to run a 4.4 40-yard dash on the field, all he needs to do is get to the quarter back. It looks like he did that more than enough in his college career.

Being that Butler is in the fold now I'm not sure the Saints would make him a priority pick in the first round. But if we were to trade down and he was there, it would be hard not to take him.

Honestly, a part of me would love to see the Saints take Tavon Austin with that pick at 15. I know we don't have a true need for another playmaker. But with all of the weapons we do have, he would make us even more difficult to defend.

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True, Austin would make the offense just that more dangerous, but I do hope they pick a defensive player with the 1st rounder if not an OT.

Are you high?

Butler is our answer to OLB? Has to compete with Galette??? Wtf

Undersized ???

This should have been some bigger and badder. Not liking this selection - I hope I'm wrong next season.

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Depending on the numbers, this was a good signing because he is young, has been playing/learning behind the likes of DeMarcus Ware, and is familiar with Rob Ryan and his defensive scheme.

Since it's only a 2-year contract with conditions that could void the second year all together - there's very little risk involved with this signing.

And the Saints will probably pick another OLB from the draft if a suitable candidate falls to or is available to them at the right time.

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“The chance to come in and compete is all I wanted in this free agency opportunity,” said Butler. “After sitting down and talking with everybody, I felt like my best chance to compete and be a part of a winning team was in New Orleans.”

Victor Butler: "All I Want is a Chance to Compete"

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After listening to him speak w/ Deke and Bobby last night, I am even more excited. Guy is very articulate. Makes me so proud to be a Saints fan these days, when sought out free agents make a 3 or 4 team tour, and wind up choosing the Saints...says a lot about where Mickey and Sean have taken our franchise!

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not yet :p

Butler is a solid gamble. He is an up abd coming OLB that has proven his worth in a 34. Galette is a complete unknown in a 34. As it was in a 43 his run defense was so so at best and i have no idea if he can pass defend. Besides its a great youth move for the defense that will be retiring players in the next couple of years.

proved he can play in 34 at OLB the question to be answered is can he make the next step as a full time starter. if not he already excels coming off the bench. thats why i think he signed only a two year deal here to get his shot at starting. safe for the saints and him

cap handcuffs are on pretty tight

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I don't think we have no shot with Ansah. There are mixed opinions on how high he'll go because of his lack of experience, though is talent is off the charts. But there is a good chance he doesn't make it to us, which is why I say IF he falls to us.

I completely agree with your take on Jarvis Jones, though. I've been saying those things about him since I first heard about his pro day. The guy dominated every team he played in the most dominant conference in America.

I know he played on the other side of the ball, but I'm going to use this example anyway. Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at his pro day, or whatever they called it back then. As we know, he went on to be the best receiver of all time.

On a more recent note, Terrell Suggs was said to have a similar pro day. He turned out alright. I'm pretty sure Jones can run faster than what his workout suggested, but as long as he produces it really doesn't matter to me. There are a lot of fast players who have no idea how to produce. You gotta be strong, smart, quick and have no wasted motion. Those things allow you to be precise in your route to the QB or in getting open, or in getting through the hole if you're a running back. Apparently Jarvis does a lot of things well to put up the numbers he has.

I thought about if the signing of Butler changes the plans. I do think it will deter the Saints from taking a LB at 15 UNLESS it's Jones. He's too good, and would fit the system perfectly. Butler should help us, but he doesn't have near the high ceiling that Jones has, IMO. We're talking about a guy who could potentially put up 20 sack seasons. We shall see though. I feel a lot better about our options with the additions we've made.

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I don't think the signing of an unproven Butler on a 2 year contract will deter us from selecting a linebacker if he's the BPA on our board. However, the signing definitely opens up the possibilities with what we can do with the draft pick. Whether it's taking a LT, trading down, or whatever else situation that may present itself... something I wasn't as open into doing prior to filling two positions of need via free agency.

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Agreed. This is why I don't think any linebacker but Jones would be selected. I gotta think that if he's gone the best player available will not be any of the other linebackers. They could stand to go a number of different ways. Obviously I could be wrong, but I'd rather have an OT or Safety than to have someone like Mingo. I like Mingo's athleticism, but he's too unpolished when we have other needs, in my opinion.

I don't see Ansah as a linebacker. But it seems he's being viewed that way by some. So I guess I should consider him as the one other linebacker possibility.

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I agree Johnson would be the better pick. I doubt he will be there though. I have seen many mocks having him go in the top 12 every time. And I think the only reason Luker would go as late as early rd2 is because of the depth in this years draft at OT.

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Great pick up for you guys.

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With all the defensive signings in free agency, IMO they draft an offensive player

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I could see that, if its an OT. I think I'd seriously blow a gasket if they take a skill position at 15 though. I know they preach BPA constantly but there are still needs on defense and I would much rather see them trade back and take the next highest rated defensive player. Our offense already gained a huge advantage this offseason, his name is Sean Payton

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And if trading back is not an option...? I think you go with the highest graded player on your list.

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Only one though.

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If they don't trade down and keep the 15 spot, IMO they draft a skill player like a Tavon Austin. Drafting a OT at that point would be a total waste of that pick simply bc there's no OT worthy of that pick. The 3 that are will already be gone according to every mock draft that I've seen, now if one of them just so happens to fall to that spot then it's an OT, this is my opinion ONLY for what it's worth. They have been known to pick the best available and if its an offensive player then that's what it is.

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Well sure, if you're handcuffed to the pick. Even still, I'd probably rather see them reach a little for either an OT or defensive player than take a WR. I know Tavon Austin is all the rage, but I personally had never heard of him before the combine, and I worry that he's a workout warrior more than a baller. Now let me say for the record that I haven't looked too much into his college stats, so maybe I'm way wrong here.. then there's Patterson from Tennessee..and I think we all know about WR's from Tennessee.

Anyway its only my opinion, and I'm sure that they'll probably end up picking someone that'll leave us all scratching our heads. In all my years as a saints fan I can count on one hand the number of times they've picked someone in the first couple of rounds that I actually wanted to see them take. I'm sure a lot of you know exactly where I'm coming from on that one.

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[QUOTE=frydaddy; I know Tavon Austin is all the rage, but I personally had never heard of him before the combine, and I worry that he's a workout warrior more than a baller

Really never herd of him, this guy is a WR from West Virginia and a very good one. Projected to be a slot guy but can also can be used out of the backfield. You must not watch very much college football to not have herd of him, no offense.

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None taken... And no, I really don't. Not that I don't want to, but I work all day every Saturday, so I just don't get the chance.

Well, all I can say is that I hope they don't blow it again this year. Especially if they're unable to trade back for more picks. Just make it count

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I'll agree with that, please don't waste this chance can't afford to considering the salary cap issues

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[quote=Joker;491071][QUOTE=frydaddy; I know Tavon Austin is all the rage, but I personally had never heard of him before the combine, and I worry that he's a workout warrior more than a baller

Really never herd of him, this guy is a WR from West Virginia and a very good one. Projected to be a slot guy but can also can be used out of the backfield. You must not watch very much college football to not have herd of him, no offense.[/quote]

He was fun to watch last year. Plus he's used to playing for a team with no defense. Just sayin'...