Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

On my big board i have Jonathan Cooper ahead of Chance Warmack. So there is little chance of it happening IMO but here is my thoughts if the mock draft gurus are right

Anyways here is a thought for the board. if cooper is there and you take him consider putting him at center. I am right now. With the LOT such a big need and ROT being maned by servicable players would it be crazy to shore up the middle of the OL so Drew knows he can step up? It would free the RB up to make outside protection his #1 priority.

2010 opener at center and the following 25 at left guard so there might be some thing there

Then again it would address our power run game up the middle.

If you go with BPA can you live with idea?

Right now i am starting to really consider this as a viable option and the logic is wearing on me.

if Chance Warmack is there i want to trade i just do not see him as flexible OG/OC option. I can see Womack falling

Jonathan Cooper at OG/OC is.

Then again if we did take him i know the phones would be ringing of the hooks for a trade

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

No matter who I pick year in and year out, it seems we always go in different direction. So I'm just going to ride this year out.
I have no idea who this guy is that you are taking about. So I cant agree or disagree with you on this one

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

Well thought out...would make a good worst case scenario...

I was wondering if anyone knew if Grubbs had an experience at T..if so Cooper would be a nice pick up

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

I think there are worse worst case scenarios. We could f this up.

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

If Warmack fell to us, we select him.

I'd reach on Barrett Jones in the late first before Cooper...

Since Grubbs is a Grader only type; that puts Jonathan Cooper at Center...

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

Defense defense defense, unless Lane Johnson falls. Although I have to admit I am intrigued with Tavon Austin. But there's no need for a guard especially in the first round.

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

I just know it's gonna be a long snapper, or a PK, Geno Smith, or something like that. Especially if you're talking guards or centers now. Trades for unproven players, even top tenners aren't going to net us all that much. We still need too many positions filled to blindly grope after that BPA thing. Besides that, there isn't much in the way of agreement anywhere of who the BPA would be at 15.

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

And what do you do with Warmack?

You've said throughout the years that you consider players selected in the first round bust if they don't start right away. So taking Warmack would be hypocritical don't you think?

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

Unless it's an OT..........we'd better go defense.:dunce:

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

Ok, Ok, settle down and have a Reese's Peanut Butter Egg and I'll esplain Lucy...

You could either

(a) Start him at Center, imagine that front three for Brees...

(b) Move Grubbs or Evans along with the corresponding salary hit...

(c) But you're absolutely right, and I have said it, I wouldn't let him sit and "learn"...

...point is, drafting Warmack would give you options to get younger at guard and reduce the salary commitment to a valuable, but non-skill position...

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

Sounds like a good plan but unfortunately probably not going to select an offensive lineman that early.
I believe their going to give Charles Brown a shot to prove he can and if McKinnie Is still available after the draft sign him for the league minimum.
They take the best player on the board as they always have, I believe if Austin if there he taken at #15 unless someone offers them a late first and 2nd round pick.
I know I'm going to catch grief for this but that's my opinion.

Happy Easter Everyone!!!!!

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

In a couple of other threads I brought up potentially adding Austin as well. I can't see how Payton would not want to add another weapon like this into that offense.

I'm still a proponent of trading down and acquiring more picks in this draft. But if Austin is there when we select, it would be hard to pass on his talents.

As far as drafting Cooper... looks like a heck of a talent. But I can't see us drafting another interior lineman this early in the draft.

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

Austin is an impressive prospect,but in this defensive rich 1st round we really need to stick to defense.we have plenty of talent on the offensive side of the ball. I want a defensive STUD! Not just one that we think is great- one that the whole nfl respects and fears! If I had 3 first round picks,I would use all three on defense.....well-maybe one on any of the top three tackles. But I do agree,Austin in the black and gold would be awesome!

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

I guess we will see come draft day, but I believe it's going to be Tavon Austin or the safety from Texas Viccaro. I look at the defense and believe that it will be much improved with the simple additions they've made. Will Smith IMO is a DE not an OLB, to slow and a little long in the tooth.
People don't be surprised if Austin is there at 15 that Sean Payton picks him. He's a 3 in 1 player, return punts, kicks, slot WR and can also be used out of the backfield. Just my opinion guys, don't beat me up to bad.

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

I think you are spot on with this post.

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

A little touchy aren't we? I think "Lucy" suits you much better cause you're wearing it very well.

Now I'll address the rest of your points.

(a) Why would I want to draft a center at 15? That's crazy especially considering how cheap and effective De La Puente is. He graded out consistently as one of the better centers in the league. Why would you want to replace him?

(b) Why would I draft a guard at 15 when we have two All Pro guards that are playing at a high level on our team? Being that we're average at tackle, let's move one of our stud guards for a rookie who may or may not become a good player. Wouldn't this be counterproductive and put our franchise quarterback at more risk? This makes little sense.

It certainly gives us options... not sure if I'd consider them a smart route to go. Quality interior lineman are abundant in the mid rounds of every draft. It's not an area of need nor concern. Spending the 15th pick in the draft on a guard just doesn't sound like a good idea.

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

I agree no way they adjust the offensive line with a draft pick, as I I've posted on other threads if Austin is a available and there's no chance to move down for more draft picks Sean Payton doesn't pass on him or vaccaro more Austin than Viccaro. I believe Harley's Brown will get a shot at left tackle with help from newly acquired Watson and backs out of backfield just like Bushrod needed help on occasion against elite pass rushers. They may even sign a LT like McKinnie after the draft just in case the injury bug hits Brown again

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

DUDE WE GOT 2 OF THE BEST GAURDS IN THE NFL! Why would we draft Cooper don't get me wrong I actually have Cooper rated higher than Warmack cause he can play center too! But no way we draft a gaurd maybe a tackle but not an inside guy!

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

Later Cap!

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

I WOULD LIKE TO GRAB TAVON AUSTIN TOO, But if someone wants to break the bank and move up in front of STL I might would consider letting Austin go for 2 or 3 more picks! I also believe we can probably trade a RB and CB if we sign or draft one not to mention training pr cutting Roman Harper! So we should be able to aquire more picks atleast I hope so that way we wouldn't have to trade down and we can take a top 15 talent because we need an infuse of young star talent and that's why we need more picks because of the deep defensive talent in the draft this year!

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

SCREW U AND YOUR IGNORE LIST!

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

hmmmm so Austin and Defense or bust. out weigh Copper as BPA if we are backed into a corner with our pick.

So either Austin is BPA

or

Draft the BPA is out the window

Re: Jonathan Cooper in the first??????
 

I'm really not sure if you want to see us flat out release Harper. I'm no expert on the cap, but the cap hit will be pretty harsh.

I know most want to see Brees restructure his contract, but we are really going to feel it down the road. I think we only restructure Brees is we are bringing someone in who is going to significantly make us much better.