Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

I agree

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Would rather have seen Floyd and beefed up the D-line.
Then again, I'm used to 4-3, we're moving to 3-4.

Still not ready to give up on Galette and some other players on this D. I think they were mis-utilized last season.... the young, strong players weren't even allowed to start!

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

this pick sucks. we sick at drafting defense. . he'll be mediocre and get cut in 4 years

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Just remember Josh Bullocks was a ball hawk in college... that doesn't always translate. Adrian Wilson had 3 career INT's in college. Dashon Goldson had 4.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

TwistedTiger,

I know how you feel. But I do think we have to take last season with a grain of salt. There is no taking away how bad the defense was. 7,000+ yards... it is what it is. But, I think Ryan and most importantly the addition of our head coach back can make this unit better.

I was kind of excited when I saw Jones sitting there, but I think this pick tells us that the Saints like what they have at outside linebacker. Plus, we heard Loomis reference Akiem Hicks in his presser yesterday. Plus, Will Smith is getting paid, so don't expect him to be on the sideline next season. They must think that they can compete with their front seven the way it is.

Just throwing this out there as well. If Harper is on the chopping block, as I have mentioned here previously, I do think he will be a June 1 casualty. And, Ivory is moved, we will have some money to perhaps address the left tackle position in free agency... or trade.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

There's not much more we could do this offseason and draft to make a miracle happen with our defense. We can only go with what we hope: we're not as bad a defense as the abomination that walked the field last season.

On one hand I think Spags defense served to EXPOSE the players we did have.
Then again, NO WAY we can 'turn it all around' on defense in 1 offseason.

What's most depressing is this is a defense heavy draft. If we ONLY had 1 more pick in the 1st.... or even some 2nd round picks..... ARRRG

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Good Lord at all the pessimists... This was a freakin' great pick.

To anyone that thinks different, please go apply to be an NFL scout. There's PLENTY of stars in the NFL that I can guarantee you weren't lobbying for the saints to pick on draft day and PLENTY of busts that you didn't see coming.

Oh, and did some of you know Sedrick Ellis would be nothing more than a mediocre player? Let's leave the drafting to the coaches, please.

We haven't struck gold with a first round pick yet, but we've drafted some VERY successful players. Most on this site have never even watched Vaccaro play, so slow down on the criticism. It's getting ridiculous.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

We could have gotten Floyd though I hope it don't bit use on in a$$

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

I actually got goose bumps when I realized we finally have a real safety.
Harper is good in the box which is what a SS does.......but that's it. Jenkins is lost and doesn't have a clue.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

I really wanted Jarvis Jones but I was Leary his health could be an issue but at least he's a play maker. Kenny Vacarro IMO is drafting Malcolm Jenkins all over again. An athletic guy with horrible hands

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

at least he didn't land in our div.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Love the pick, even if Harper somehow sticks around

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I'll leave it at this. There MUST be a reason Floyd dropped down to 23rd in the draft. He was predicted top 5 in most drafts.

I remember everyone thinking Sergio Kindle would be a top pick. He dropped to the second round and I even remember asking myself, why did the saints pass on this guy in the second round????

Floyd may end up being great. Just saying, he may not be as great as he originally looked.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Anyone remember Amobi Okoye? Floyd resembles him in many ways, and go check where Okoye is at now.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

If you run 3-4, you must have skilled players behind the down linemen, end of story. For a 3-4 defense, Vicarrio makes most sense. For a 4-3 defense, Floyd would have been the choice.

Like I said, people are nervous because so many things hinge on Ryan, the 3-4, and how he fits the pieces of our defense into a team.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

There was an article I read that pretty much said that Floyd was made into a first rounder by the media.... If you remember Floyd was never mentioned until Star Lotuleilei came up with the heart condition issue before the combine.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

oh yeah i am nervous. and some people wonder why i have my little buddy sitting staring and wondering why

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Its not a matter of how good Vaccaro is or isn't, it just doesn't matter. If you can't stop the run or pressure the passer the best backfield in the NFL gets burned. The Saints are counting on guys that couldn't get serious PT on the worst defense in NFL history and other teams rejects to become quality starters. What was needed was playmakers in the front seven. Either pass rushers or disruptive forces. What they got was another DB that will be asked to cover WRs while the QB makes himself a sandwich and waves to the crowd before launching it downfield under no pressure.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Like it is every season. Watch half these kids drafted 1st round fall off the radar. Then, the players missed by the media are the future hall of famers - the 2nd, 4th and 6th rounders.

Pickup Honey Badger undrafted and I will start to get stoked!

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

People keep bringing up how bad the defense was last year, like it was all just the players. For God's sake... Spags' defense didn't fit us AT ALL. And by the way, we had no head coach to light a fire under anyone's ass, either.

And comparing Vaccaro to Jenkins is just stupid. Vaccaro is a safety. Always has been a safety, always will be a safety. Jenkins was a corner moved to safety. These are two different positions entirely, and not every player has the instinct to play safety. Jenkins lack of interceptions is not his problem. Hell, I'd be happy if he were anywhere close to the ball just to swat it down.

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I agree we need talent up front, but I'm not that negative about it. You make it sound like the season is over already. I'm curious how Ryan uses the talent that is actually on the defense because there's NO WAY we could have filled enough positions in one offseason to make that defense top in the NFL>

Besides, if the Saints have an average defense, the team is majorly potent.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

see i think we have solid defensive players. i expect growing pains and a turnover on defense of say 40% in 2 to 3 years. we need picks

Ryan knows LB so i have to trust him a bit there but the turnover battle is a major factor we need to address asap. lets see what the rest of the draft brings

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I agree, it is a monumental task overhauling the D in one season with no cap room. I didnt expect the D to be greatly better. I did expect a pick that made much better sense.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

That's totally fair. I agree.
We just won't know the impact of this kid until we see him in uniform.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

I guess I'm having trouble understanding what pick you would have made at #15? A linebacker with injury problems that ran nearly a 4.9 40 yard dash that will have trouble getting to the outside in Jones? Or a 4-3 DT in Floyd? According to Profootballfocus.com, our biggest red flag was safety. Jenkins and Harper ranked last in their positions. Certifiably terrible. This pick makes perfect sense to me.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

With a slightly better than below average defense, this team can be dangerous. Things will be fine, Rob will find a way to play to player strengths

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Vacarro reaction times were stupid good. That's what you need in a safety and what puts you in position to make plays. It gives you that extra tenth of a second you miss in foot speed. It's call BRAINS.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Not a fan of the pick. Unless Jenkins moves to corner, at best Vaccaro is only going to be a situational guy and someone who comes in on sub-packages. Certainly not the impact the Saints needed or the #15 slot demands. The trade the Vikes gave the Pats for their late pick has more value than Vaccaro. No impact in free agency and no impact from the draft. Sean and Rob are going to have to work some magic or it's going to be another .500 season.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

:stupid: And trust him, he's an insurance agent and would know. His entire paycheck depends on reaction times and how fast he can fill out a form with a pen.

That extra tenth of a second means the difference between Select Silver Value Coverage and Platinum Premium Super Deluxe Code Blue Coverage. :D

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Man darn there everyone here is a pessimist !

Our Division has Cam Newton , Matt Ryan and Josh Freeman ...

Atlanta has a Stable of Elite Pass Catchers Carolina Got Hixon And Smith , and Vaccaro at least Nutralizes all the attacking passwise on our defense. Great Pick , with him at least its not open season to throw the Ball on us anymore.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

No impact in free agency;Really? I thought being strapped for cash we did quite well, Lewis & Butler...

And Vaccaro can play as a CB and both safety positions, not to mention he is a great ST guy. Versatility...

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

While I respect everyone's right to their opinion wether it's right or wrong (only time will tell) consider this. For the pessimist's on this pick, the defense, or lack of it, that was the 2012 Saints can't get any worse. We went 7-9 with that defense and should have won 2-3 more games which would have meant 9-7 or even 10-6. Having said that, this defense only needs to improve some to get us back to the playoffs and with the offense clicking on all cylinders as we know it can and even a slightly improved defense next year we will be there. I like the pick and I think it was a step in the right direction in improving the defense. JMO

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

With slot receivers and tight ends always getting thrown to in a pass happy league, I'm glad we picked Vacarro. We need a safety who cover those players man-to-man. If Vicarro does a good job of that it will make our defense more versatile.

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Since this obvious is a response to my post, I think it's stupid you think it's stupid. And what position is Jenkins playing now? They both have the flexibility to cover receivers and tight ends. I'm also not overly concerned about neither player's ability to get an INT. He's also been compared to All Pro Eric Weddle. Is that stupid too? Eric Weddle was a CB/FS hybrid when he was drafted. Since when was it so stupid to compare players who play the same position? Genius.

Read this smarty pants.

WEAKNESSES Used extensively in man coverage and around the line, must continue improving as a reliable back-half defender against the pass and last line of defense against long runs. One-speed player who lacks burst. Is not quite agile or fast enough to stick with better NFL receivers, backpedal is high and stiff, can be out-quicked in space, and loses a step running down the seam. Can get caught freelancing and watching the backfield in zone coverage, and will bite on play action. Knee injury ended his senior season in high school after three games. Can fill downhill out of control, losing his leverage on the ball carrier and missing tackles. Doesn’t always take good angles and is prone to running himself too far upfield when he’s the “force” defender.

Now if you take your defensive blinders off, think about it. Does this not sound similar to Jenkins? Hell they even tackle alike. Go look at his reel. Go get a hand rag and take your aggression out somewhere else.

:rolleyes:

And just in case you missed it, I'm more than okay with the Vaccaro pick and was so throughout the process. I did not compare him to Jenkins as an insult... as I think the world of Jenkins' ability. I think Vaccaro can be just as good as Jenkins when he flashed his potential a few years ago. Which means, I think Vaccaro can be an All Pro type safety. Hopefully he'll be more consistent than Jenkins and fulfill his potential.

The nerve.

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:popcorn: to papz comments!!! LOL

I am warming up to Mr. Vaccaro, and not because he's 6'2.... lol but because he can flat out ball.

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

I wasn't really crazy about this pick at first, would have liked Reid more (I'm a homer, I know) or maybe Jones but the rest of the first round was guys we didn't really need. Jordan, Mingo and the OT's worthy of a 1st round pick were allready gone.

IMHO what this pick does is give us more flexibility on the back end of the defence. I think Harper will stay at SS, he is a good tackler and is improving in coverage every year, yeah he struggles against the big, fast freaks at TE, but so does everybody else. Jenkins is the guy I think wil be moved around. He was a really good CB allthou not a really fast one, I think we will se him play a lot in the nickle this year and thats where I think he can make a lot of plays. Or it might be the opposit, Jenkins stay in his spots and we hav Vaccaro in the nickel.

I like the reports of the guy having fluid hips, thats important when you have to turn and run with guys and are trying to locate the ball in the air. His 4,63 in the forty is comaparable to that of Ed Reed (4,57), Jerry Rice (4,71), Dashon Goldson (4,60) and the list goes on. Taylor Mays ran a 4,4 at the combine and was supposed to become the next great saftey in the NFL but he was stiff and immobile and couldn't play for ****. Its much mor important to have a guy with ok speed that is mobile and has a good head on his shoulders.

And for you people whining about the passrush, a lousy coverage kills the rush because the QB can just throw it to the open guy. Lock everybody down on the back end and the DL and LBs rushing will have a field day.

Welcome to the Saints Mr. Vaccaro!

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Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

Anyone remember Alex Molden? (Shivers). He was SUPPOSED to be a shut down corner we picked in the first round.... Never shut down anything! You NEVER know.... I like this kid...

Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick
 

I'm not complaining about this pick. Hell I like it! We need an upgrade at Safety and we got it. I have a feeling this kid is gonna be great!

Kenny Vaccaro Sport Science
 

Competition in training camp is going to be very interesting, Lets hope he can make an immediate impact