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RockyMountainSaint 04-26-2013 02:15 AM
Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper?
 
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 497357)
I think Vacarro will take more time from Jenkins in the Free Safety spot. Harper's been good up around the line. Ryan likes the 46 defense or variations on it. Harper could fit in really well at the safety/linebacker spot.
Harper has shown ability to hit people in the box.

His coverage on slot receivers and TEs in that area is suspect at best.


The league has changed. A SS that you only ask to give run support is a dinosaur. KV by all accounts excels at both run support and covering slot receivers.

Harper only does one of those things. I will add that his hitting is good. His tackling is not. He goes in a straight line. Lateral quickness is not and never was his strength.

Crusader 04-26-2013 03:27 AM
Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper?
 
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 497319)
When someone new starts making polls on the website, what should we do with foreverfan?
Oh thats easy, trade him to Saints Report for a coke and a snickers.

;-)

Seer1 04-26-2013 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 497369)
Oh thats easy, trade him to Saints Report for a coke and a snickers.

;-)
We could probably get that plus 20-30 broken links from bleacher report.

Seriously, the answer is P-Rob. Jenkins moves over to Greer's spot, Greer to P-Rob's and P-Rob moves over to where there's no bench.

biloxi-indian 04-26-2013 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 497248)
Can he catch? Please tell me he can catch.
And, "can he tackle"?

westbankdaze 04-26-2013 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 497402)
We could probably get that plus 20-30 broken links from bleacher report.

Seriously, the answer is P-Rob. Jenkins moves over to Greer's spot, Greer to P-Rob's and P-Rob moves over to where there's no bench.
I don't see Jenkins going back to corner. There is a reason we moved him to FS. My guess us Harper is done. I'd replace him and Jenkins if I could.

SaintsBro 04-26-2013 07:24 AM
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I think he takes Harper's place but not this year, I think it's NEXT year or even 2015 when Harper's contract is done. With the exception of Reggie Bush and Jimmy Graham, the Saints have a pretty consistent history of NOT throwing rookies into the fire, unless forced into the lineup by injury. That includes the sparing use of Ingram during his first year which had everybody mystified. I bet our first year's look at this guy is going to be watching him chase down kick returns on special teams, just like they did with Patrick Robinson and Malcolm Jenkins. But I like the pick, I'm just not expecting miracles from him right out the gate.

Utah_Saint 04-26-2013 11:56 AM
Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper?
 
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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 497363)
Harper has shown ability to hit people in the box.

His coverage on slot receivers and TEs in that area is suspect at best.


The league has changed. A SS that you only ask to give run support is a dinosaur. KV by all accounts excels at both run support and covering slot receivers.

Harper only does one of those things. I will add that his hitting is good. His tackling is not. He goes in a straight line. Lateral quickness is not and never was his strength.
That's all true but Jenkins doesn't seem to be any better. He seems to be only slightly better in coverage, a terrible tackler and lousy against the run.
If Spags were the DC again this year, I'd be surprised if Harper made it to training camp. But with Rob Ryan running the defense, I think Harpers ability to "lay the wood" on QBs and receivers crossing the middle will give him the edge in the safety competition. Just my opinion though, only time will tell.

TheOak 04-26-2013 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 497319)
The verdict is in: we need Polls with more than 2 choices (ie. none of the above).

When someone new starts making polls on the website, what should we do with foreverfan?
I think we should poll what the next poll should be. :-)

Shoe. 04-26-2013 12:35 PM
Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper?
 
Payton is on record saying how he loves that KV is very versatile and actually played a lot of nickel in college, how they had to go back and dig up tape on him actually playing safety etc..., so an added answer to this poll should be "neither" or at least "nobody's job this year."

Next year though, well Roman it was nice having you.

Danno 04-26-2013 01:41 PM
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So lemme get this straight, Harper and Jenkins were placed in a zone scheme that required both of them to play deep a lot. Many thouhgt it was a good fit for Jenkins, but not a good fit for Harper (including your's truly)

And when the season ended Harper ended up being graded better than Jenkins, even though Spags scheme wasn't friendly to traditional SS's and certainly didn't play to Harper's strengths, while it did play toward Jenkins' strengths.

And everyone apparently thinks Harper's spot is the one Vacarro is gonna take?

papz 04-26-2013 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 497564)
So lemme get this straight, Harper and Jenkins were placed in a zone scheme that required both of them to play deep a lot. Many thouhgt it was a good fit for Jenkins, but not a good fit for Harper (including your's truly)

And when the season ended Harper ended up being graded better than Jenkins, even though Spags scheme wasn't friendly to traditional SS's and certainly didn't play to Harper's strengths, while it did play toward Jenkins' strengths.

And everyone apparently thinks Harper's spot is the one Vacarro is gonna take?
Come on Danno, you seemed shocked. You know he's the whipping boy of the secondary... that's not suddenly going to change.

We should ease the young man in... if he beats out someone, then he deserves it. If he's going to replace anyone, make him earn it.

Vrillon82 04-26-2013 01:49 PM
Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper?
 
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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 497251)
New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick | NOLA.com
But the Saints apparently believe they have their safety of the future in Vaccaro. It remains unclear how the selection of Vaccaro will impact the future of the 30-year-old Harper, who struggled in coverage last season. Although the Saints haven't given any indication what they will do with Harper, they can save $5.2 million against the cap by releasing him.

Payton said he wasn't going to speculate about Harper's future but said there will be competition at the position.

"We'll see how it goes when (Vaccaro) comes in," Payton said. "We want to create competition. If he was available we felt like we were getting an awfully good football player. That kind of stuff will sort itself out."

Vaccaro said he doesn't know what will happen with the incumbent safeties or exactly what his role will be in first-year defensive coordinator Rob Ryan's system.

"I don't even know," he said. "I plan on doing whatever they want me to do."
Which is what they could do is release Harper.

Vaccaro now, might be one of the big names to come out of the 1st rd of this years draft when you start looking back in past years drafts and probowlers/starters.

Rugby Saint II 04-26-2013 05:58 PM
Re: Who's Position Does Vacarro Take? Jenkins or Harper?
 
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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 497306)
Rugby Saint II voted for Jenkins....

http://provideocoalition.com/images/...s/dude_wtf.jpg
Are ya'll even watching the Saints secondary? Jenkins can't read and react.....the boy always looks totally lost.:dunce:

AsylumGuido 04-26-2013 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 497664)
Are ya'll even watching the Saints secondary? Jenkins can't read and react.....the boy always looks totally lost.:dunce:
That was in Spag's read and react defense. He looked much better in Williams' man coverage. The whole secondary was lost. That scheme didn't match their talents. Just getting back to man coverage will be a huge move.

homerj07 04-27-2013 05:59 PM
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4th DB we have taken in the 1st round - maybe 4th time is the charm?


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