Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense

billyt81 · 05-31-2013, 04:16 PM

I appreciate the Black and Gold goggles bro, but the Saints LB core is far from crowded with talent. I'm not sold on Vaccaro. He's a good tackler with average speed. Sounds like Harper to me.

|Mitch| · 05-31-2013, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

but the Saints LB core is far from crowded with talent.

I beg to differ:

90 Butler, Victor LB 6-2 245 25 5 Oregon State
56 Chamberlain, Chris LB 6-1 238 27 6 Tulsa
93 Galette, Junior LB 6-2 258 25 4 Stillman
57 Hawthorne, David LB 6-0 246 28 6 Texas Christian
54 Herring, Will LB 6-3 241 29 7 Auburn
53 Humber, Ramon LB 5-11 232 25 5 North Dakota State
59 Johnson, Rufus LB 6-5 272 22 R Tarleton State
50 Lofton, Curtis LB 6-0 241 26 6 Oklahoma
55 Martin, Eric LB 6-2 250 21 R Nebraska
52 Reddick, Kevin LB 6-1 246 23 R North Carolina
46 Shipman, Ray LB 6-5 242 23 R Central Florida
91 Smith, Will LB 6-3 282 31 10 Ohio State
58 Thomas, Chase LB 6-3 241 23 R Stanford
51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 31 10 Miami (Fla.)

billyt81 · 05-31-2013, 05:55 PM

I knew someone was gonna give me a list of names. I know all the names and I'm optimistic too, but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded.

|Mitch| · 05-31-2013, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded.

Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster?

It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

Danno · 05-31-2013, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster?

It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

It can be, but 1/3 of the vote are players, 1/3 of the vote are coaches, so its not exactly the popularity contest it would be if it were 100% fan vote.

Its biased and every year there are head scratchers, but they're mostly reputation votes.

Thats why I don't think Harper's two-time selection as an alternate should be dismissed. He damn sure wasn't voted in by fan bias so the players/coaches had more to do with his selection than fans.

The pro-bowl isn't a joke, but it damn sure doesn't consistently pick the very best player at each position year in and year out.

I'm convinced that if you do make it, its quite probable that you don't suck.

billyt81 · 05-31-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster?

It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking.

TheOak · 05-31-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking.

Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip

The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002.

billyt81 · 05-31-2013, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip

The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002.

Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em?

papz · 05-31-2013, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

I appreciate the Black and Gold goggles bro, but the Saints LB core is far from crowded with talent. I'm not sold on Vaccaro. He's a good tackler with average speed. Sounds like Harper to me.

I can actually understand the skepticism with our linebackers(doesn't mean I agree), but Vaccaro and Harper do not sound alike. Vaccaro is combo safety athletic enough to cover slot receivers and more in the mold Malcolm Jenkins as opposed to Harper. Scouts have compared him to Eric Weddle... and Roman Harper is nothing similar to that. You're in a whole different ball park.

Danno · 05-31-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I can actually understand the skepticism with our linebackers(doesn't mean I agree), but Vaccaro and Harper do not sound alike. Vaccaro is combo safety athletic enough to cover slot receivers and more in the mold Malcolm Jenkins as opposed to Harper. Scouts have compared him to Eric Weddle... and Roman Harper is nothing similar to that. You're in a whole different ball park.

Agreed, he'll never be a Polomalu (a pure stud SS) or an Ed Reed (a pure stud FS), but he can be a very solid combination of the two, which is fine by me.

In the new age of pass happy offenses, he's the new breed... FSS (Free-Strong Safety).

Of course its only paper speculation for now.

05-31-2013, 04:16 PM	#1
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense I appreciate the Black and Gold goggles bro, but the Saints LB core is far from crowded with talent. I'm not sold on Vaccaro. He's a good tackler with average speed. Sounds like Harper to me.

05-31-2013, 04:18 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 but the Saints LB core is far from crowded with talent. I beg to differ: 90 Butler, Victor LB 6-2 245 25 5 Oregon State 56 Chamberlain, Chris LB 6-1 238 27 6 Tulsa 93 Galette, Junior LB 6-2 258 25 4 Stillman 57 Hawthorne, David LB 6-0 246 28 6 Texas Christian 54 Herring, Will LB 6-3 241 29 7 Auburn 53 Humber, Ramon LB 5-11 232 25 5 North Dakota State 59 Johnson, Rufus LB 6-5 272 22 R Tarleton State 50 Lofton, Curtis LB 6-0 241 26 6 Oklahoma 55 Martin, Eric LB 6-2 250 21 R Nebraska 52 Reddick, Kevin LB 6-1 246 23 R North Carolina 46 Shipman, Ray LB 6-5 242 23 R Central Florida 91 Smith, Will LB 6-3 282 31 10 Ohio State 58 Thomas, Chase LB 6-3 241 23 R Stanford 51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 31 10 Miami (Fla.)

05-31-2013, 05:55 PM	#3
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense I knew someone was gonna give me a list of names. I know all the names and I'm optimistic too, but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded.

05-31-2013, 06:11 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded. Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster? It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

05-31-2013, 06:35 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster? It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days... It can be, but 1/3 of the vote are players, 1/3 of the vote are coaches, so its not exactly the popularity contest it would be if it were 100% fan vote. Its biased and every year there are head scratchers, but they're mostly reputation votes. Thats why I don't think Harper's two-time selection as an alternate should be dismissed. He damn sure wasn't voted in by fan bias so the players/coaches had more to do with his selection than fans. The pro-bowl isn't a joke, but it damn sure doesn't consistently pick the very best player at each position year in and year out. I'm convinced that if you do make it, its quite probable that you don't suck.

05-31-2013, 07:07 PM	#6
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster? It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days... I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking.

05-31-2013, 08:31 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking. Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002.

05-31-2013, 09:03 PM	#8
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by TheOak Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002. Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em?

05-31-2013, 04:56 PM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,797	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 I appreciate the Black and Gold goggles bro, but the Saints LB core is far from crowded with talent. I'm not sold on Vaccaro. He's a good tackler with average speed. Sounds like Harper to me. I can actually understand the skepticism with our linebackers(doesn't mean I agree), but Vaccaro and Harper do not sound alike. Vaccaro is combo safety athletic enough to cover slot receivers and more in the mold Malcolm Jenkins as opposed to Harper. Scouts have compared him to Eric Weddle... and Roman Harper is nothing similar to that. You're in a whole different ball park. Danno, \|Mitch\| and TreyThomas like this.

05-31-2013, 05:24 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by papz I can actually understand the skepticism with our linebackers(doesn't mean I agree), but Vaccaro and Harper do not sound alike. Vaccaro is combo safety athletic enough to cover slot receivers and more in the mold Malcolm Jenkins as opposed to Harper. Scouts have compared him to Eric Weddle... and Roman Harper is nothing similar to that. You're in a whole different ball park. Agreed, he'll never be a Polomalu (a pure stud SS) or an Ed Reed (a pure stud FS), but he can be a very solid combination of the two, which is fine by me. In the new age of pass happy offenses, he's the new breed... FSS (Free-Strong Safety). Of course its only paper speculation for now.

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