Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense

billyt81 · 05-31-2013, 05:55 PM

I knew someone was gonna give me a list of names. I know all the names and I'm optimistic too, but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded.

|Mitch| · 05-31-2013, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded.

Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster?

It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

Danno · 05-31-2013, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster?

It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

It can be, but 1/3 of the vote are players, 1/3 of the vote are coaches, so its not exactly the popularity contest it would be if it were 100% fan vote.

Its biased and every year there are head scratchers, but they're mostly reputation votes.

Thats why I don't think Harper's two-time selection as an alternate should be dismissed. He damn sure wasn't voted in by fan bias so the players/coaches had more to do with his selection than fans.

The pro-bowl isn't a joke, but it damn sure doesn't consistently pick the very best player at each position year in and year out.

I'm convinced that if you do make it, its quite probable that you don't suck.

billyt81 · 05-31-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster?

It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking.

TheOak · 05-31-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking.

Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip

The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002.

billyt81 · 05-31-2013, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip

The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002.

Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em?

TheOak · 05-31-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em?

Because funnel times with draft beer would be unethical.

Believe as you wish. Who runs a straight line 40 during the game?

Apples and oranges.

Crusader · 06-03-2013, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by billyt81

Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em?

They are not meaningless but you can't just translate them to the field and expect a fast player. Some guys gets slowed down a lot by the pads while the greats move as fast with pads as without.

Danno · 06-03-2013, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

They are not meaningless but you can't just translate them to the field and expect a fast player. Some guys gets slowed down a lot by the pads while the greats move as fast with pads as without.

And reaction times, anticipation, technique and that extra step in changing direction totally negate the 2/10th of a second difference between "fast" and "slow".

05-31-2013, 05:55 PM	#1
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense I knew someone was gonna give me a list of names. I know all the names and I'm optimistic too, but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded.

05-31-2013, 06:11 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 but is there one pro-bowler in that bunch? The dome patrol had 4. That was crowded. Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster? It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days...

05-31-2013, 06:35 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster? It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days... It can be, but 1/3 of the vote are players, 1/3 of the vote are coaches, so its not exactly the popularity contest it would be if it were 100% fan vote. Its biased and every year there are head scratchers, but they're mostly reputation votes. Thats why I don't think Harper's two-time selection as an alternate should be dismissed. He damn sure wasn't voted in by fan bias so the players/coaches had more to do with his selection than fans. The pro-bowl isn't a joke, but it damn sure doesn't consistently pick the very best player at each position year in and year out. I'm convinced that if you do make it, its quite probable that you don't suck.

05-31-2013, 07:07 PM	#4
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Pro-Bowls is the way you evaluate talent, really? Don't you know that us fans vote on who makes the roster? It's nothing more than a popularity contest these days... I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking.

05-31-2013, 08:31 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 I hope the linebackers show improvement but Harper ran a better combine 40 than Vaccaro. He had more college tackles, sacks, forced and recovered fumbles, and both had 5 career picks. Most in this forum hate Harper and love Vaccaro. He's gotta prove it to me. Then again, I only post when I'm drinking. Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002.

05-31-2013, 09:03 PM	#6
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by TheOak Combine numbers for the 40yd mean zip The beer man had no college stats, went to the pro bowl and was all pro in 2002. Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em?

05-31-2013, 09:06 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em? Because funnel times with draft beer would be unethical. Believe as you wish. Who runs a straight line 40 during the game? Apples and oranges.

06-03-2013, 02:22 AM	#8
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,050	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by billyt81 Hasllett said that at his first tryout he clocked Beerman at 4.4 flat three times in wet grass. If 40 times are meaningless, why do em? They are not meaningless but you can't just translate them to the field and expect a fast player. Some guys gets slowed down a lot by the pads while the greats move as fast with pads as without. Danno and TheOak like this.

06-03-2013, 08:27 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Vaccaro intends to add to Saints’ new-look defense Originally Posted by Crusader They are not meaningless but you can't just translate them to the field and expect a fast player. Some guys gets slowed down a lot by the pads while the greats move as fast with pads as without. And reaction times, anticipation, technique and that extra step in changing direction totally negate the 2/10th of a second difference between "fast" and "slow". TheOak likes this.

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