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ncsaint 10-02-2004 04:37 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
Seriously. Why, after five years of this coaching staff is our defense still ranked one of the worst in the league? Is it personnel? Are our defensive players, position by position, that bad and so much worse that other teams? Then that leads to talent evaluation. Does that mean our coaches/front office are so bad at evaluating talent that after 5 years we're still bad? Or is it coaching? Are our schemes bad? Can we not adjust correctly, etc? Why is this unit seeming still so bad after this long?

CheramieIII 10-02-2004 11:29 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
It\'s truly the coaching. A team should be able to have an average defense with average players, if the coach is average and what we have had is bad defense with average players, and terrible coaching.

D_it_up 10-03-2004 08:03 AM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
I think it\'s a mix of average personnel and horrible defensive schemes by a horrible defensive coordinator. Darren Howard and Charles Grant seem to be the only true threats on the defense. The rest are a bunch of (oh-no, here\'s that word again) potential laden players or also-rans. Tebucky, Watson, Smith, Sullivan, Hodge, Harper, Mitchell, and Allen fall into the \"potential\" category. Also-rans include Thomas, Ambrose, Rodgers, Young, etc....I\'m not saying all these players are bad, but on most teams they would be back-ups with the exception for maybe Watson, Smith, and Tebucky.

As for the coaching, no one has called for the head of Rick Venturi more than I have. Hell, just look at my handle. D_it_up!!!!!!!!! As long as Venturi is at the helm, the Saints defense will be no better than average. Wait a sec! They can\'t even get to average with Venturi. Bring someone in that knows what the hell they are doing, and I guarantee that the Saints, with this personnel, could be in the top 15. With a defensive ranking like that and the explosive capabilities on offense, the Saints would be a perrenial playoff team. BRING ON SOME DEFENSE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!! :cussing:

DARKFATHER504 10-03-2004 10:54 AM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
Until there is a coaching change our \"D\" will always be porous. I have never seen a coach that actually schemes his players out of the play. Especially deep in the red zone (between 10-yard line to the goal line), he is the only coach I know that stunt players and leave gaping holes in the defense. (See the Seattle game) – Venturi has to go plain and simple and it doesn’t matter how we do, it just doesn’t matter.

Zulu_King 10-03-2004 05:39 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
I can\'t totally blame the DC, because our LBs are average at best, and DTs ineffective. I can however, blame the DC for constanly dropping T Buck so far back, that he is out of most plays. T Buck is overpaid & often takes bad angles. I was hounded for wanting Sapp. Trufant, also. He and Smoot would\'ve set us at CB for years. We passed on Smoot,though. The Bills wanted a #2. Now, were scrambling to strike a deal for McKenzie. This D needs more leadership.

Haz claimed that no LBs were available, but Claiborne, Spikes and Gold were.

DARKFATHER504 10-03-2004 05:49 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
THIS IS TOTALLY COACHING = no matter how you put it. The game today, HAZ is being out coached. The game of football is like chess. The Card’s O-Coordinator versus the Saints D-Coordinator. We got the right players but not the staff. The staff is just not smart enough to beat someone in a chess match – NEW COACHES ARE NEEDED. = tellmehowyouluvdat?

spkb25 10-03-2004 05:52 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
the worst is that we just keep winning enough for them to stay. i wish we would just blow the season so benson was forced to fire him

Zulu_King 10-03-2004 05:59 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
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THIS IS TOTALLY COACHING = no matter how you put it. The game today, HAZ is being out coached. The game of football is like chess. The Card’s O-Coordinator versus the Saints D-Coordinator. We got the right players but not the staff. The staff is just not smart enough to beat someone in a chess match – NEW COACHES ARE NEEDED. = tellmehowyouluvdat?

vulture 10-03-2004 06:00 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
This is exactly the kind of game that makes the Saints a laughing stock throughout the league. I onced wondered why every sports highlight I see shows someone playing the Saints. I haven\'t been this upset about a loss in a long time. Pathetic display of football today.

Zulu_King 10-03-2004 06:02 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
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THIS IS TOTALLY COACHING = no matter how you put it. The game today, HAZ is being out coached. The game of football is like chess. The Card’s O-Coordinator versus the Saints D-Coordinator. We got the right players but not the staff. The staff is just not smart enough to beat someone in a chess match – NEW COACHES ARE NEEDED. = tellmehowyouluvdat?


It can\'t be TOTALLY coaching, when 80% of our D wouldn\'t start for 50% of the teams in the league. Think about it....

DARKFATHER504 10-03-2004 06:09 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
Zulu King = it is Coaching who pick players, I know they don’t play any of the downs, but just like chess you put your players/chess pieces in position to win. Not once has I heard good call but poorly executed by the defense – when was the last time you heard it?

Saintsin04 10-03-2004 06:11 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
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THIS IS TOTALLY COACHING = no matter how you put it. The game today, HAZ is being out coached. The game of football is like chess. The Card’s O-Coordinator versus the Saints D-Coordinator. We got the right players but not the staff. The staff is just not smart enough to beat someone in a chess match – NEW COACHES ARE NEEDED. = tellmehowyouluvdat?


It can\'t be TOTALLY coaching, when 80% of our D wouldn\'t start for 50% of the teams in the league. Think about it....
Howard, grant, and youg could along with thomas and bellamy

UK_WhoDat 10-03-2004 06:15 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
It\'s the same old song..........................
:casstet: :mad:

blake6900 10-03-2004 06:23 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
If there\'s one single reason why Haslett needs to go it\'s for keeping Rick Venturi around. One thing Haslett won\'t have to worry about is any of his coordinators looking better than him. They suck like he sucks.

On the positive side at least Haslett and Co. will be gone after this year. On the negative side Benson will undoubtedly bring in some other unproven person to take over the reins. At least Ditka put a team together whose personnel could get to the playoffs. Haslett stinks on ice. And Venturi wasn\'t Ditka\'s defensive coordinator. Venturi may know linebacking but he sure doesn\'t know complete defensive scheming.

Everybody get ready for the excuses from ol\' Jim: mistakes, turnovers, bad play, penalties, etc. Everything except responsibility for being a lousy head coach. And let\'s face it...he really wasn\'t that great of a lineback either. If he had any class at all, he\'d quit. At least then, I could have some respect for him. Now he\'s just collecting a paycheck and giving nothing in return.

UK_WhoDat 10-03-2004 06:25 PM

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On the positive side at least Haslett and Co. will be gone after this year
No that\'s a BIG negative.

Please .................. release Haslett & Co NOW

ScottyRo 10-03-2004 06:26 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
The scheme is just horrible. The adjustments are lacking. There is nothing innovative about Venturi\'s D. AND Rick guesses wrong way too many times.

Zulu_King 10-03-2004 06:26 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
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THIS IS TOTALLY COACHING = no matter how you put it. The game today, HAZ is being out coached. The game of football is like chess. The Card’s O-Coordinator versus the Saints D-Coordinator. We got the right players but not the staff. The staff is just not smart enough to beat someone in a chess match – NEW COACHES ARE NEEDED. = tellmehowyouluvdat?


It can\'t be TOTALLY coaching, when 80% of our D wouldn\'t start for 50% of the teams in the league. Think about it....
Howard, grant, and youg could along with thomas and bellamy

blake6900 10-03-2004 06:28 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
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It can\'t be TOTALLY coaching, when 80% of our D wouldn\'t start for 50% of the teams in the league. Think about it....
Who chose these players? I laugh everytime I hear Haslett complain about them. Somebody should do a search for everytime he talked up a free agent after signing them and then whined about their game play later.

In a word, Haslett is pathetic...and the sooner he\'s gone the sooner this team can start down a different path.

Zulu_King 10-03-2004 06:32 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 

Howard, grant, and youg could along with thomas and bellamy [/quote:760ab88194]


Thomas is more a nickle. That\'s why I wanted Trufant & Smoot. I\'m watching Young closely.I really haven\'t seen much from him I\'m also not totally excusing our DC. I just thought I\'d mention that we simply have but 3 studs on D. Grant Howard & Bellamy

blake6900 10-03-2004 07:08 PM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
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Thomas is more a nickle. That\'s why I wanted Trufant & Smoot. I\'m watching Young closely.I really haven\'t seen much from him I\'m also not totally excusing our DC. I just thought I\'d mention that we simply have but 3 studs on D. Grant Howard & Bellamy
Here\'s something that puts Haslett, Venturi and their collective expertise on personnel in total perspective:
Jay Bellamy was a strong safety in Seattle. So what did Haslett and Venturi do? They brought him to New Orleans and made him play free safety, completely out of position. When they realized he didn\'t have the speed, they went and got Tebucky Jones. Of course, prior to that, they had drafted Mel Mitchell to be Sammy Knight\'s replacement at strong safety. When Knight left and Mitchell got hurt last year, only then did they realize what a fine strong safety Bellamy was. Of course they didn\'t have a choice but to start him. But they should have known in the first place. Instead they tried to reinvent the wheel by putting Bellamy at the wrong position.

These coaches have no idea how to evaluate players and it shows everytime Haslett complains about their play. He picked \'em, he\'s coaching \'em and if they suck, he sucks right along with \'em. One of the worst mistakes this team ever made-and there are many-was getting rid of Randy Mueller. Benson showed him the door because of the way Joe Johnson was treated and Tom wasn\'t in the loop. Well, where\'s Joe now? And where\'s this team now? And where\'s this team going to continue to be as long as, dare I say it, Tom Benson owns it.

themightyduck 10-03-2004 09:41 PM

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And where\'s this team now? And where\'s this team going to continue to be as long as, dare I say it, Tom Benson owns it
In hell...and still suffering from boneheaded coaching staffs and front offices all the while counting up his profits from consecutive sellout games...

All_The_Way 10-04-2004 09:02 AM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
the thing is haz just oversees things and it doesn\'t look like he ever makes the final decision on things. He just sits back and watches.

I want a head coach with the playbook in his hand making the calls.. Or if not making them when bad plays are called he steps in and takes over.

Isn\'t halftime to make adjustments. What the hell. This coaching staff is horrible and its gonna cause some turmoil and finger pointing at the player level.
We will lose our players if something is not done.

The bad thing is we are not even at the halfway point in the season. Its gonna be a long MOFO.

BigBull45 10-04-2004 09:30 AM

Why is our defense so bad/porous?
 
Look at the Cardinals Defensive Coordinator Clancy Pendergast.he\'s never been a coordinator at any level.he\'s just been a positions coach,but he has the Cards playing some inspired D.


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