Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression

saintsfan1976 · 08-21-2013, 07:32 AM

Do no-qualifier mean he didn't make grades to get accepted to those schools?

Halo · 08-21-2013, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Do no-qualifier mean he didn't make grades to get accepted to those schools?

I was also confused by this and think it was poorly expressed and written.
We can only assume it means he didn't make the grades, but why not just say that?

rezburna · 08-21-2013, 08:32 AM

I believe it can be grades or too low of an ACT/SAT score. I know in the south we take the ACT, and you've got to have at least an 18 too qualify for division 1. That's why so many players down here go JUCO.

ProMallNinja · 08-21-2013, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I believe it can be grades or too low of an ACT/SAT score. I know in the south we take the ACT, and you've got to have at least an 18 too qualify for division 1. That's why so many players down here go JUCO.

Spot on, Rez. I'd bet a dollar to a donut that this was a case of not making a qualifying ACT score, which is a damn travesty. There is a complete lack of consideration during the process for people that just aren't "good test-takers". I knew "A/B students" in school that struggled mightily with test scores, and it had nothing to do with their intelligence level. It's nice to see that some kids, like Johnson, are finding "back roads" to success.

Papa Voodoo · 08-21-2013, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by ProMallNinja

Spot on, Rez. I'd bet a dollar to a donut that this was a case of not making a qualifying ACT score, which is a damn travesty. There is a complete lack of consideration during the process for people that just aren't "good test-takers". I knew "A/B students" in school that struggled mightily with test scores, and it had nothing to do with their intelligence level. It's nice to see that some kids, like Johnson, are finding "back roads" to success.

Good point. Many folks get nervous which is understandable for such a test due to it's impact on a person's future. I was in the first group in LA that took the LEAP test and the same thing happened. I wasn't the best or smartest student by any means, but tests never rattled me. I got a 32 on the ACT and lost my scholarship for poor grades 1 semester later

I studied education in college and there are different types of intelligence...one of those being athletic intelligence. Barry Sanders is a good example of athletic intelligence or Drew (although they also have academic inteliigence). The probelm is that it's hard to develop a school system that incorporates all intelligence/learning types. The current system leaves a student with a very low amount of retention after compelting the courses.

SmashMouth · 08-21-2013, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I believe it can be grades or too low of an ACT/SAT score. I know in the south we take the ACT, and you've got to have at least an 18 too qualify for division 1. That's why so many players down here go JUCO.

Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there weren't any practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this.

K Major · 08-21-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there were practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this.

Per The Princeton review, scores below 15 on ACT are considered low at just about any four-year college.

rezburna · 08-21-2013, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there were practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this.

I made a 23, but most of my friends who also played ball just barely made the required 18. A 28 is really high though, we can't compare kids to you. Lol. They start giving out academic scholarships if you make that.

ProMallNinja · 08-21-2013, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there were practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this.

I scored a 27 10+ years ago, but I was a solid test-taker. Like I said, to say that answering 100 questions in 45 minutes is a good judge of someone's intelligence level or capability to be a successful person is unfair, at best. There are so many examples throughout history of successful people (even perceived geniuses) that did not do make good test scores in grammar school/high school. Einstein comes to mind initially for me. He failed his college entrance exam, which was the equivalent to the modern day ACT/SAT at the time.

rezburna · 08-21-2013, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by ProMallNinja

I scored a 27 10+ years ago, but I was a solid test-taker. Like I said, to say that answering 100 questions in 45 minutes is a good judge of someone's intelligence level or capability to be a successful person is unfair, at best. There are so many examples throughout history of successful people (even perceived geniuses) that did not do make good test scores in grammar school/high school. Einstein comes to mind initially for me. He failed his college entrance exam, which was the equivalent to the modern day ACT/SAT at the time.

You guys blew it out the water! Lol. I see you're from the coast like me. You'll probably remember these names. DeAndre Brown? #3 receiver in the nation behind only Julio Jones and A.J. Green. He went to USM because of a technicality. If not he would've been at LSU. Me and him were team mates. Vick Ballard? Perk. Trumaine Brock? Perk. Terrence Cody? Perk. John Jenkins? Perk. The list goes on. A lot of our best athletes went JUCO first.

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ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression Originally Posted by rezburna I believe it can be grades or too low of an ACT/SAT score. I know in the south we take the ACT, and you've got to have at least an 18 too qualify for division 1. That's why so many players down here go JUCO. Spot on, Rez. I'd bet a dollar to a donut that this was a case of not making a qualifying ACT score, which is a damn travesty. There is a complete lack of consideration during the process for people that just aren't "good test-takers". I knew "A/B students" in school that struggled mightily with test scores, and it had nothing to do with their intelligence level. It's nice to see that some kids, like Johnson, are finding "back roads" to success. rezburna likes this.

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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression Originally Posted by ProMallNinja Spot on, Rez. I'd bet a dollar to a donut that this was a case of not making a qualifying ACT score, which is a damn travesty. There is a complete lack of consideration during the process for people that just aren't "good test-takers". I knew "A/B students" in school that struggled mightily with test scores, and it had nothing to do with their intelligence level. It's nice to see that some kids, like Johnson, are finding "back roads" to success. Good point. Many folks get nervous which is understandable for such a test due to it's impact on a person's future. I was in the first group in LA that took the LEAP test and the same thing happened. I wasn't the best or smartest student by any means, but tests never rattled me. I got a 32 on the ACT and lost my scholarship for poor grades 1 semester later I studied education in college and there are different types of intelligence...one of those being athletic intelligence. Barry Sanders is a good example of athletic intelligence or Drew (although they also have academic inteliigence). The probelm is that it's hard to develop a school system that incorporates all intelligence/learning types. The current system leaves a student with a very low amount of retention after compelting the courses.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,795 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression Originally Posted by rezburna I believe it can be grades or too low of an ACT/SAT score. I know in the south we take the ACT, and you've got to have at least an 18 too qualify for division 1. That's why so many players down here go JUCO. Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there weren't any practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression I believe it can be grades or too low of an ACT/SAT score. I know in the south we take the ACT, and you've got to have at least an 18 too qualify for division 1. That's why so many players down here go JUCO. ProMallNinja likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,830 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression Originally Posted by SmashMouth Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there were practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this. Per The Princeton review, scores below 15 on ACT are considered low at just about any four-year college.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression Originally Posted by SmashMouth Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there were practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this. I made a 23, but most of my friends who also played ball just barely made the required 18. A 28 is really high though, we can't compare kids to you. Lol. They start giving out academic scholarships if you make that.

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ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: Saints rookie linebacker Johnson says it’s time to make impression Originally Posted by SmashMouth Doesn't 18 on an ACT seem like a low bar to achieve? The first time I took it (and that was over 30 years ago now) I scored a 28. In those days, there were practice tests or online trainings for you to prep for this. I scored a 27 10+ years ago, but I was a solid test-taker. Like I said, to say that answering 100 questions in 45 minutes is a good judge of someone's intelligence level or capability to be a successful person is unfair, at best. There are so many examples throughout history of successful people (even perceived geniuses) that did not do make good test scores in grammar school/high school. Einstein comes to mind initially for me. He failed his college entrance exam, which was the equivalent to the modern day ACT/SAT at the time. Joker likes this.

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