Most difficult team task in the NFL
 

I suppose there ae difficult tasks and then there are difficult goals... I could make arguments for any of the three depending on the situation..

Which do you think is the most difficult thing to do in the NFL?

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1. QB
2. CB
3. Convincing Saints fans that not every single completion ever made by our opponent is Roman Harper's fault.

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Grrrr you got the reply up before I got the ... wait, I ma not saying poll up.

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Sorry. I'd say repeating.
A- You have to get there twice.
B- You have to win it twice.

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The way I see it, the task of getting there and the task of winning it are two fairly different tasks in terms of what has to be done.

While attrition has to be the single biggest obstacle that has kept teams from getting there, you have to overcome the bounce of the ball and luck helps a lot...

Once you get there you not only have to play smarter and better than your opponent but you have to keep your team focused and not let "the game" become bigger than they are....

Then there is the repeat where you pulled out all the stops and went outside of the box to win the first one... now you have to find a new box and more stops as whom ever you face in the second one has a lot of tape on you...

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I think getting to the SB is harder than winning it.

Theirs been better competition in some Conference title games than in the SB.

our season for example, beat Minny by 3 in OT, go to SB, and beat Indy by 14 in regulation.

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Winning is tougher than getting to the SB. I think that repeating in three years is probably easier than getting there because you have a plan in place and hopefully the players to make it work.

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The reason i put the 3 year mark on it is because the year after you win a SB players stock goes up and it gets very expensive to keep the same team together... Look at the Ravens.

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I'm going to say "Get to the Superbowl"; just ask the Falcons... :doh:

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Now that's funny. I don't care who you are (oh - unless you are a Fail-Clowns fan)

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Can't say winning a Superbowl because Brian Billick did it and he continually builds a body of media work that demonstrates his total misunderstanding of the game of football...

Have to give credit to Ozzie, that coaching staff around Billick, and that team that won it DESPITE Brian Billick...

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LOL Think Caldwell deserves any credit for the Colts playing us in 2009?...

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Jesus Christ freaking broken record already....

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I know, that's why I posted it. I'm sick and tired of low IQ posters in a daze!

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Well the thing I really learned from the run in 2009 is that, I learned how incredibly DIFFICULT it really is to get to a Super Bowl. Before, it was always just this extremely nebulous, far away dream that wasn't real, I didn't know how people did it or what it took. And I don't care who you are, LUCK plays a role in getting you there.

Every team that has ever been to a Super Bowl has had a few lucky bounces, easy breaks, or freak plays, along the route. The Meachem strip. The Darren Sharper pick 6 against Miami where he barely got in there with the ball in his hand. The fact that we got the Cardinals in the playoffs (due to a freak play in OT) rather than the (much better, I thought) Green Bay Packers. And loads more.

And like I said earlier in another thread -- in addition to the luck, I think the PATH to the Super Bowl for every team, is practically more important to getting them there than the team itself. Maybe you catch a break when a team in your conference or division that was previously strong, is suddenly weak. Maybe somebody else's QB goes down. Maybe you have the bulk of your hard games at home and the easy games on the road that year. Maybe you are the '06 Bears and you water down the home field in January so it turns to mush.

Then the seeds and matchups in the playoffs, that determine the PATH. Do you have to play in Green Bay. Do you have to beat a division team three times. How the other teams in your path match up with you, or who you DON'T have to play. Each team that gets there, has its own unique path that somehow plays to their strengths or diminishes their weaknesses.

Winning it when you're finally there is usually pretty straightforward, it's just a matter of winning one more game.

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Some teams luck out and get in but there are teams that just have the formula down. Pittsburgh is a great example of a team with a plan. The Pats under Bilichik are the same. They're constantly renewing themselves so that even in a down season or two they're never really terrible and, by constantly bringing in new player talent while retaining stable coaching and management staff, they never have to go through a major rebuilding.

Even if your coach isn't great if the rest of the staff is high quality they can make up for it. That's what happened when Caldwel won a Super Bowl.

I'm hoping Payton will be a lifer like Tom Landry or Don Shula. Just move in and make it yours. I could see him in 15 years sitting up there where Mickey sits. Taking notes.

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Someone help me understand this question...you can't win a super bowl without getting to a super bowl, and you can't win 2 super bowls until you have already won 1 super bowl, so how in the hell is repeating as super bowl champions not obviously the hardest task?

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Sounds like someone was attentive in Philosophy 121: Elementary Symbolic Logic at Tulane?!?

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Luck has a lot to do with it for some teams......like the Giants for example.

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Thanks, that explaination pretty much cleared it up for me, :) ... I actually selected "getting to a SuperBowl", :rolleyes: ... what was I thinking? Bills, Vikes, Steelers, Pats, Redskins, Dolphins, Raiders, Giants, et... have all done it multiple times, :lol:.

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A myopic theory on a very subjective poll. All three are separate tasks in the poll for many reasons but most importantly because all three can not happen in one season.. "Obviously"

There are plenty of teams that are in weak divisions, with weak schedules, and have a lot of luck in a few playoff games... Proving that getting to the Super Bowl is not always a process of clawing your way to the top... With enough luck its quite easy.

Reversing your theory:

"Obviously" winning a second Super Bowl is more difficult than winning the first although when you get to your second Super Bowl you have been there, understand the formula, have a roadmap, and your players are not awe struck.

Then "obviously" winning a Superbowl is more difficult than getting there. However, in no way is 4 Quarters of football more difficult than 72+ quarters of football.

All three tasks have very different required elements, and some teams are suited for some more than others. If you care to test the subjectivity of the options ask the same question to the Detroit Lions and the New England patriots.

My reply is not to debate what you feel the most difficult task of the three is but to shed light on what you "obviously" cant see.

Read this and you will see that sometimes getting there is easier than winning.
RealClearSports - Top 10 Worst Super Bowl Teams - 10. 2002 Oakland Raiders


Luck takes no effort.

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:lol:, so that's how it is, eh? Couldn't substitute the Cleveland Browns (who've never been there either) for the Lions in that equation, couldya' Oak? :lol:. Carry on, brother, :mrgreen:.

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I don't see the blue side of you... :)

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Let's rephrase the question, as you are, to say "Getting to Super Bowl" "Having gotten to a super bowl, win it" or "Having won a super bowl, winning again within 3 years"

The probability of winning one game is almost always going to be higher than the probability of winning the number of games necessary to get to that game, so generally, as you said, getting to a super bowl is harder than winning one, even when getting to that super bowl was relatively easy.

However my answer doesn't change

The last task still implicitly contains both getting to and winning a super bowl in a different season, and the combination of those tasks will always be more difficult than either one individually. Further, to say that in some instances the second super bowl run could be easier than the first, and therefore that task is easier to accomplish is a fallacy of converse accident. Even if you only posit that hypothetical to say that it makes the answer "not obvious" then you make the question trivial, because you can then say that about every element, and there is no credible way to defend any of them. Finally, if you want to go the route of facts, then:

28 teams have gotten to a Super Bowl
18 teams have won a Super Bowl
7 teams have repeated within 3 years

There is simply no angle that you can approach this question from and not come to the conclusion that repeating is clearly the hardest challenge.

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As I stated, my rebut has little to do with your opinion of which is more difficult and more to do with how obvious the possible answer is not.

Moving on to your theory... Again, your myopic in viewing "team" as a franchise life span as the 2009 Saints and the 1980 Saints teams have little in common but the color scheme and home field. Once you have built your team (roster) and won a Super Bowl getting back is easier than building that team roster that will get you to and win a Superbowl.

What you posted above as statistical information on how many teams have done what, has little to do with what it takes to do that. Some teams do it fairly easily compared to others.

Getting a team together to win the Super Bowl for the New Orleans Saints franchise was a much more arduous task than wining it, and now getting to and winning a second one is still going to be easier than getting to our first one.

My theory is that getting to a Super Bowl is the most difficult task in the NFL, your view differs because you are starting at game 1 of any given season and I am taking into consideration the difficulty that lies in assembling the team and coaches to just get there. It took the Saints 42 years to do it.

Removing the luck aspect and only relying on sweat equity and intellectual property, developing the team to do it is the most difficult task, once you have the team then repeating is not nearly as difficult.

The obvious question here is if the poll was so trivial why take the time out of your day to reply twice?