POLL: Is this team well-run??
 

Saintfan and I, amongst others, have been having a debate for some time now about the state of this organization. I am of the opinion that this organization is generally poorly run. I think the marketing department is doing a much better job, and Loomis is great at keeping us out of cap trouble, but aside from that, this team is poorly run, from the front-office, to the scouts, to the coaches. It fails at what is most important - creating a winning/consistently competitive team.

Saintfan has been hung up on my use of Kyle Turley's term, "Mickey Mouse." He generally disagrees with my (and others') assesment of the general unprofessionality of this organization. I don't think I'm crazy. Neither does he. So we settle it the old fashion way.

IS THIS TEAM WELL RUN??

Please give a YES or NO answer, and try to keep the commentary SHORT. The main purpose is to take stock in a POLL fashion where you VOTE. So, Rock the Vote! Thanks all.

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NO - for me
No - for my brother (also a fan)
NO - from my mother (who can\'t believe I like the Saints)
No - from all my firends (who also can\'t belive I like the Saints)

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Yes, right now its poorly run.
Mickey Mouse is a bit extreme though.

I like Benson. He will fire Haslett after an 8-8 2004.

I kinda like Loomis. We could do better but we could do worse. His problem right now is he needs to fire Haslett or Venturi and I don\'t know if he has the authority to do so. Thats not good. But he\'s a shrewd bean-counter.

Rick is decent. The team is talented.

On a 1-10 scale I\'d give them a 6. Thats strickly based on the talent this team has accrued and the cap space still available for the next coaching staff.

The on-field staff is whats bringing this team down.

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Wait - so your answer to the question is NO.

As in NO they are NOT well-run (i.e. yes, they are POORLY run??)

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no they r not well coached

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no i don\'t think the team is ran well.when you have the amount of talent that this team has and you miss the playoffs for 3 or 4 years :casstet: :casstet:

[Edited on 7/10/2004 by 2SAINTS04]

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Nope.

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Negative Ghostrider.

A total inability to utilize free agency to effect.
Haphazard record of developing talent.
Inability to get results on stated goals, ie--We want to get tougher against the run.

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NO, NO, HECK NO :o

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No, and a resounding no to that!

This team, perenially a badly manged and coached team, has done nothing to aid our main problems in both player and front office personnel.

The player \"talent\" is there, but the coaches have failed to exploit those advantages. And in fact, the reason our defense is so weak is the fact that the coaches decided to base it around speed alone. So what does that translate into? Undersized linemen who get pushed around easily and LB\'s who drop into coverage more than walking up to blitz.

Take Courtney Watson for example. Watson\'s fast and light on his feet. But the problem lies in the fact that he\'s not strong enough to take on blocks or make sound tackles against stronger \"bruiser\" running backs. This results in Watson having to chase and pursue instead of stopping at the line.

Saints coaches have become incredibly stubborn about this \"speed defense.\" They alone have taken away the defensive players who, in their view, were too slow for the new \"speed defense\" (i.e. Norman Hand, Sammy Knight, Charlie Clemons, and Mark Fields). And who do they replace them with? Faster players who don\'t play the same hard-hitting smash-mouth style of the Saints D of old. The faster players don\'t tackle as soundly or hit as hard.

While I do give credit to Loomis for keeping the cap under control, he hasn\'t done enough to bring in impact players on both sides of the ball to make us an even more effective team. So now we have to chase around a holdout CB in Green Bay instead of trying to sign one during the free agency period.

Not wanting to change the player lineup so that they can all get along better and can have time to bond? Yeah, we\'ve really gotten far on that one! ;) Still no true team leader and still no sense of togetherness.

The Saints still look like 53 different men playing for a paycheck, not for each other.

Benson, you alone have the power to turn this franchise around. But, based on your actions since the mid 90\'s, I can\'t count on you to do much either. :burning:

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Upon reflection I think this team is well run.

Well run into the ground.

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10 - No
0 - Yes

I\'m wondering how Saintfan feels about this. Care to chime in? By the way - nice cameo in the Bucs intro... :)

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Yes ! I can see that I\'m in the minority here, so don\'t let your riot trash me to bad, the little guy has rights to ya know :P

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No. Emphatically.

In, my opinion, it\'s one of the most poorly run organizations in football.

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NO! as in it is NOT well-run.
:mad2: :realmad: :cussing: :furious:

That wasn\'t hard!
:doh:

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Extremely well run ....

This is a well oiled machine in the front office , it works miracles in the front office that I generally only notice at the religious level ...

Consider this :

Football is a sporting venue that derives most of it\'s revenue from ticket sales in advance of the actual product hitting the market . Now despite the Saints going 9-7 in 2002 , the ticket sales went through the roof in 2003 .The PR department took every ounce of potential and ran it down the general publics throat and cashed in bigtime . Ownership and management have managed to get the state to guarantee revenue and consider building a new structure , despite suffering losses in state funds .Scouting has found the players with the potential to keep the Saints competitive and the GM has found away to keep the numbers under control and keep Fielkow off their butts .

The organization gets an A +++ in my book , it is the coaching that blows .

Despite seasons of :
7-9
8-8
9-7

The organization continues to sell out the Super Dome and get paid by the state for the potential of what could happen .

Only organized religion can make so much money from an individual and pay no taxes for the potential of a pay off after you are dead .

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Marginal at best

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08, that was a damn good post! That\'s accurate!

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I think that I did specifically exclude the Marketing Dept. ;)

The Saints undoubtedly excel in generating hype, no question there.

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As usual, Whodat takes a statement and spins it. What Danno says is a much more accurate assesment that the spin Whodat is using, as per his usual. ;)

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Precisely what spin are you talking about?

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Let me ask you this question, with reference to the \"spin\". Did you read the entire \"Mickey Mouse\" thread? If not, do so. It will provide some perspective on where this came from.

Is Whodat trying to insinuate that this team is well run or not well run? Pretty obvious he thinks it\'s not well run. When he asked me the question origianlly my comment was that it depends. What part of the Saints organization are we speaking of? As a whole I\'d say it\'s better run that some and not as well run as others, but to say it\'s \"Mickey Mouse\" is reactionary.

Whodat is far more subtle with his agenda than some others, but this ain\'t my first rodeo either. ;)

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Then that clarifies. I\'ve seen the other thread, yes, but only skimmed a couple of entries. The topic didn\'t interest me enough to read in entirety.

From the context of this post, it seemed a personal attack on WhoDat rather than a football discussion. He certainly needs no defense from me, but I feel WhoDat has been taking a lot of heat on this board lately. A lot of his viewpoints I agree with.

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How could this thread be a personal attack on Whodat? He started the thread. He started the thread to make a point. I occasionaly agree with Whodat too and give him his props from time to time, but he feels he\'s being picked on lately. It helps to know the WHOLE story. ;)

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Benson has handled his front office beautifully .

My thought is Benson is an older give them the second chance type owner . Benson most likely wants to believe that Hasbeen can pull it together and he knows if he cannot it is Black Monday time in the Big Easy ....

This is quite possibly the hardest decision for Benson at this point because Loomis is tied into the VooDoo and then Benson has too find a GM for them too . My gut feeling is if Benson does Black Monday it , then LeBlanc is the GM for the VooDOo and does the interviews for the Saints .

[Edited on 7/10/2004 by saintz08]

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Sounds like \"agenda\" talk to me. Never fear LOE, the \"heat\" is only coming from one guy who is beginning to sound more and more like a cornered animal b/c his Haslett will save the day fairytale is crumbling.


As for where this originated, please do go read that thread. It is enlightening.

For example - here\'s what started it:
WHODAT
SAINTFAN
Didn\'t say \"everyone\" was saying it, did I slick. Sure looks like just about \"everyone\" on this board is - but then according to Saintfan, we don\'t really know much about it and can\'t judge the organization \"fairly\" based on our observations.

WHODAT

SAINTFAN
Who cast the first stone? LMAO.

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Why Whodat, your most recent agenda is even more apparant than your last one. The thread you reference is NOT where the \"Mickey Mouse\" comment originated. In fact, you didn\'t originate it even, it was Gator, and you rushed in to PROVE to me that Kyle Turley wasn\'t the only one who said it. You were wrong, but as it stings. ;)

POLL: Is this team well-run??
 

From a football standpoint- No!

From a business standpoint- Yes.

Benson knows little or nothing about football, thus the poor judgement in personnel that actually run this team. But, you have to hand it to him where money is concerned, Loomis is a great cap-man and the marketing dept. is doing a great job selling this mediocre team year after year. Mueller was a huge loss in my opinion from a football standpoint.