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jeanpierre 10-02-2013 05:56 PM

2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Though we'd revisit the 2010 NFL Draft this week...

Saints were coming off their First SuperBowl Trophy; as such, were restricted by NFL rules in free agents that could be signed as replacements to those exiting via Free Agency...

Saints primary needs were 43 Defensive Linemen, Outside Linebackers, and Offensive Linemen...

We let Scott Fujita geaux to the Browns; who made us pay for that shortly thereafter...

R1 (32) CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State; considered a steal at the time of his selection; analysts were surprised he fell as far as he had; looks like many teams got it right in hindsight; Many expected the Saints to take TCU's OLB/DE Jerry Hughes, but he was selected by the Colts just before the Saints picked; Still on the board:

OT Rodger Saffold, Indiana (Rams)
TE Rob Gronkowski, Arizona (Patriots)
OL Zane Beadles, Utah (Broncos)
LB Daryl Washington, TCU (Cardinals)


R2 (64) OT Charles Brown, USC; considered an even bigger steal than their first round pick and meeting a need; analysts were beginning to cry that the Saints couldn't win the Superbowl and get two major steals in the draft, could they? Coming from a rich tradition of offensive linemen at USC, Brown has barely played due to his fragility and again, many teams did their homework passing on this guy; the Colts had again took a linebacker Pat Angerer just before the Saints; Still on the board:

DB Major Wright, Florida (Bears)
WR Eric Decker, Minnesota (Broncos)
LB NaVorro Bowman, Penn State (49ers)


R3 (95) TE Jimmy Graham, Univ of Miami (FL); alot of oohs and aahs with this pick; analysts jabbed the Saints for reaching and risking so much with such a high pick; well by training camp, Saints coaches and fans knew they may have gotten the best pick of the draft; if health and humility stay with him and he gets a two-way contract for he and the Saints, this guy will be a Hall of Famer; Still on the board:

TE Aaron Hernandez, Florida (Patriots, released, facing major prison lovemaking time)

R4 (125) DL Al Woods, LSU; Saints traded up with the Cardinals to get this pick that Arizona had acquired from the Ravens; local Saints fans were excited as this guy had met a need and was a local; was the first disappointment of this draft to be released; the Saints could have stayed where they were and selected from:

DB Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech (Seahawks)


R5 (158) OL Matt Tenant, Boston College; was consider a value pick and expected to be yet another great mid-round offensive line pick by the Saints; considered slightly undersized, Tenant never gained the necessary bulk nor adapted to the Saints blocking schemes and was made expendable when the Saints acquired Eric Olsen; Still on the Board:

WR Riley Cooper, Florida (Eagles)
S Reshad Jones, Georgia (Dolphins)
OT Marshall Newhouse, TCU (Packers)


R7 (239) QB Sean Canfield, Oregon State; the last pick of the draft before the compensatory picks, he was considered a project; he floated on and off from the Practice Squad for a couple of years before finally given his release; Still available:


WR Antonio Brown, Central Michigan (Steelers)
KR Trindon Holiday, LSU (Texans, now Broncos)
RB James Starks, Buffalo (Packers)

The Saints fared well with their Rookie Free Agent Signings:

UDFA DE/LB Junior Galette, Stillman
UDFA RB Chris Ivory, Tiffin

Though Other Notable Rookie Free Agent Signings:

WR Victor Cruz, UMass (Giants)
WR Danario Alexander, Missouri (Rams, Chargers)
RB LeGarrette Blount, Oregon (Bucs, Patriots)
RB Joique Bell, Wayne State (Signed by Bills, Eagles, Colts, Eagles, then acquired by Saints, now Lions)

Well, thought this would make for some interesting online conversation, and a little bit of "what might have been..."

homerj07 10-02-2013 07:03 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Yes you have valid points. BUT I could do with with most teams.

jeanpierre 10-03-2013 08:19 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 534276)
Yes you have valid points. BUT I could do with with most teams.

Homer, would you expand on your latter point?

Rugby Saint II 10-03-2013 01:43 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
We really do suck at the draft. We get lucky occasionally but not often.

saintfan 10-03-2013 02:08 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Crap shoot.

Budsdrinker 10-03-2013 02:15 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Really the only one I wish was different was Charles Brown for Navorro Bowman.

ScottF 10-03-2013 02:15 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 534548)
We really do suck at the draft. We get lucky occasionally but not often.

more success with FA: looking at our roster, hard to believe how many starters were free agents

and we do much better in later rounds: Evans, Colston, Nicks, Bushrod, Morestead, Strief

TheOak 10-03-2013 02:21 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Somehow I knew Rodger Saffold would be at the top before I opened the thread. You say we needed O-Line

Stinchcomb 2009 Pro Bowl
Carl Nicks 2010/2011 Pro Bowl and All pro
Jermon Bushrod 2011/2012 Pro-bowl, Madden Most valuable protector 2009/2011
Jhari Evans... Don't need to get into him.. we all know
Jonathan Goodwin - 2009 pro Bowl

Those guys were backed up by Brown, Tennant, Strief

You will have to forgive me for not seeing any holes to fill at Offensive line.


Graham was drafted in 2010... Better choice than Gronk.

What we drafted, what was out there isnt necessarily the full conversation with out knowing whos contract was coming up and what we actually felt we needed.

jeanpierre 10-03-2013 07:52 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Actually liked Zane Beadles at Utah; remembered seeing him manhandle Bama linemen, which is rare and stood out to me, in the SugarBowl when Utah beat Bama...

MarchingOn 10-03-2013 10:26 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
This is who I wanted.

1st: Should've taken Sean Lee (LB) who went to Dallas. Come on, Sean! Even could've traded down 23 picks to mid-2nd to do it. Or, could've taken Alabama's Cody (DT) who went 2 picks later to Ravens. Couldn't stop the run back then (not even up the gut).

2nd: Should've taken QB Colt McCoy. Again, even could've traded down 21 picks to mid 3rd to do so. Sitting behind Brees, he'd be awesome by now. We need somebody there. Maybe Griffin will be that guy.

3rd: I wanted TE Moeaki. Glad we took the correct guy instead.

4th: No need to trade up with Ravens for a DT. Could've got DT Cam Thomas anytime before the first 15 picks in the 5th.

5th: DT Cam Thomas. Together with either LB Lee or NT Cody, we would've stopped the run finally. I don't think we had a 5th in 2010, but traded for one via Patriots and then took the wrong guy.

6th: We traded #201 to Cards. Anyway, the guys I wanted were gone: RB Charles Scott (LSU) went the pick before and RB Starks went to GB 8 picks before.

7th: RB LaGarrette Blount. Our last, best hope for a RB to backup PT. Ended up needing RBs that year, didn't we?

44Champs 10-03-2013 10:39 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Nicely done

DemonicSaint 10-04-2013 02:00 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 534566)
Really the only one I wish was different was Charles Brown for Navorro Bowman.

Seriously. I agree. However, I don't think he would have fit the scheme we were in at the time(?).

hagan714 10-04-2013 05:30 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
gee thanks JP i gotta look up what i was thinking at the time.

Round 1
oh yeah that was my Sergio Kindle year. I think i had him just ahead of Weatherspoon on the team needs for a SLB. Team needs? hell tebow had a better nfl career. hell that was the Taylor Mays year too. :dunce:

if i remember right that was year to forget :rolleyes:

Lesson learned: Hype Kills

best draft plan

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 217140)
at 32 bpa is CB Devin McCourty, Rutgers if no one falls.

I say the saints trade back and land Linval Joseph, NT, East Carolina. The dude is sky rocketing right now. at 6-4, 319, 39 bench press reps, 31.5-inch vertical and he ran a 4.93 40 at his Pro Day. He is now a mid to late second rounder. He now is in the mix with Cody and Thomas, which is were he belonged.

http://blackandgold.com/saints/25935...ns-saints.html

That "if no one falls" killed me :(.

DT Linval Joseph, East Carolina, 6-4, 328, 5.09

i wanted the extra pick rounds 3 to 4 (whats new). but you have to admit it was a very good year for those rounds

then you got some of those what was i thinking?

Mr versatility
Dorin Dickerson, Pittsburgh FB/TE

team needs again
SLB - A.J. Edds, Iowa, 6-4, 246, 4.67

Mr what if?????
SS, Myron Rolle, Florida State, 6-2, 215, 4.54

jeanpierre 10-05-2013 08:57 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonicSaint (Post 534768)
Seriously. I agree. However, I don't think he would have fit the scheme we were in at the time(?).

He could have played OLB in the 43...

And we'd never have had to sign Curtis Lofton...

jeanpierre 10-06-2013 06:48 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Bowman was definitely a miss...

Looking back at the thread then, SCHEX called it on Bowman...

TheOak 10-06-2013 07:35 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Bowman went in the bottom of the 3rd round... 91st pick.
Meaning every team in the league picked someone over him at least twice .... Including San Francisco. Not sure how that is a mark against the Saints. A lot of what players in the later rounds become is because of coaching... No guarantee he would be what he is today in New Orleans... Just as Drew Brees wouldn't be as good in San Francisco under Harbaugh.

Besides...... Having Bowmans contract would mean we could afford Kapernick as a QB.

These exercises are a relentless self mind phuck if you don't put them into perspective.

I'm very good with what we have right now.

QBREES9 10-06-2013 08:41 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Its all one big CRAP Shoot ! Good Luck.

jeanpierre 10-12-2013 06:42 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft Saints Revisited
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 535120)
Bowman went in the bottom of the 3rd round... 91st pick...meaning every team in the league picked someone over him at least twice...including San Francisco. Not sure how that is a mark against the Saints.

Interesting points, two comments for the discussion...

On Bowman being passed twice is a great example of why I don't give Loomis slaps on the back for finding Colston in the SEVENTH ROUND as everyone in the league had multiple chances - and you're dead on that credit should geaux to the coaching, specifically Sean Payton and Curtis Johnson...

Second, it's not that it's a mark JUST against the Saints, but a mark against MOST NFL staffers who are employed because "of who they know, not what they know"...

Watched MoneyBall again and you can see classic examples of drones and yes men who either direct or support personnel departments in professional sports with only a handful of guys that have a clue...


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