Putting Brees in perspective
 

Drew Brees' numbers compared to the COMBINED stats for the #2 and #4 Saints QBs in Saints history (Archie Manning and Bobbie Hebert)


Drew:

3,050 completions in 4,541 attempts (67.2%)
35,303 yards
256 TDs and 116 INTs


Archie + Bobbie:

2,917 completions in 5,390 attempts (54.1%)
36,364 yards
200 TDs and 231 INTs

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This is why Bobby and Archie will never be in the Hall of Fame.

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Exactly. Neither of them even come close to deserving it.

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Bobby? i will leave that one alone

Archie played for some really bad teams. ok some of the worse teams in the NFL. If he played anywhere else he would be talked about in likely hood for the hall.

how good was he?

he is the only player in NFL history voted the best player in the conference and be on a team that not only finished below .500 but at the bottom of the division.

This vote came the players and coaches. not the media and not the fans. that is one example that in my book speaks volumes about the type of player he was. he was one of the best.

Back then many of fans were happy he kept resigning with us but at the same time we all wished he would go to a contender and get what he deserved. he was loyal to a fault to saints, the city and the fans.

Younger fans have no clue what he gave up for us in new orleans. so if a statue is ever placed out front of the dome i truly hope he is included. No one and i mean no one gave up more for the saints than he did.

Drew and Archie stand in no ones shadows in new orleans and neither stands in the shadow of the other.

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apples to oranges?

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Great post hagan714.

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no player to player

not team to team. i am leaving the supporting cast out of it

the saint are blessed to have both QB not only on the field but in the community.


well worth the watch for those that did not live thru it. glad they had the conference mvp in there. saved me some digging

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Precisely. The theory of the game, along with the rules for receivers and QBs were much different then.




I will also refrain from commenting on Hebert.

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bobby i agree

archie i will fight for and educate people. the young should never forget what that man did for the saints and the city. it is up to the younger fans to learn the teams history and pass it on when us old timers are gone.

wins are not the only measuring stick to greatness. do not fall into that trap.

when you speak of the greatest QB ever to play for the saints these two can be said in the same breath.

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And that puts Archie on a pedestal for Saints fans that very few can ever argue or touch.

As far as the NFL Hall of Fame... He didn't achieve that level of success.

The Hall of Fame is no measuring stick for greatness either. Plenty of great players are not in there and some questionable ones are...

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I have nothing but love for all three. Each stands out as a Saint in their own way, Hall of Fame or not.

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I know he can't understand but I told Sean (son) the other day that its not fair, you haven't seen the Saints lose yet in your lifetime, he's 9 months old, it took me 30 years to see them be this good. I'm already trying to teach him all that I know about football and the Saints

My grandmother loved Bobby like a son but I just can't stand him. The Eagles and Falcons playoff defeats are his fault. His INTs cost the Saints the game in both of them. To me he's just the benefactor of being the quarterback while the Dome Patrol was dominating the NFL

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I bet Brees' single season stats would beat the total career stats of both Billy Joe's combined together. Someone please look it up, LOL.

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Manning in the Saints HOF? Deserving. NFL HOF? It's not even a debate. He doesn't belong. It has nothing to do with wins. Was he a victim of being on some of the worst teams in NFL history? Absolutely. That doesn't take away from the fact that statistically his numbers were horrible.

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I dnt see why he shouldn't be in the NFL hof. He was a great player one of the most memorable players of our franchise. I'm sure they are players that are in the Hall of Fame that weren't on great teams. But I'm sure he's OK without being enshrined.

I think for a football player you have 3 highlights. Your first TD, winning a Superbowl, and getting into the hall of fame. Drew should make into the hall.

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What? No mention of Aaron Brooks? :rofl:

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Well its not cause he's black!

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Yeah ok. Bobby will never be in the hall of fame.

BUT - he was a good QB when we needed. Was he Drew? He'll no!!

But then again. No one is.

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Stat from the Bears game: Drew Brees leads all passers IN NFL HISTORY with 270 yards per game.

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Here's the Saints Top 25 passing (not including the Bears game).

As Bobby Hebert would say, da Billy Joes can't hold Drew Breees' jock.

New Orleans Saints - Top 25 Players by Statistic

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Stupid link...

Tolliver 249-466 (53.4%) 3,343 yards 15 TDs 20 INTs
Hobert 157-313 (50.2%) 2,031 yards 13 TDs 14 INTs

So yes, Drew has had more than the Billy Joes combined IN ONE SEASON for:

Passing yards 5,476 vs 5,374
Completions: 468 vs 406
TDs: 46 vs 28
Comp %: 71.2% vs 52.1%

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I feel the same way. I've gotten over it mostly and enjoy his antics as the completely over-the-top homer radio guy, but I still see choke job against the Eagles in my dreams. And then him doing the airplane around the Superdome in a FALCONS uniform really cut deep. Can't forgive that.

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ok this started out with nothing to do with the hall of fame.

then no one can hold a candle to Drew.

that's when i stepped in and said "wait one minute"

now peps are going to the hall as a measuring stick. The hall is a glorified resting home for some of the greats in the game.

But every fan base in every city know there are a couple of players that deserve the same honor as those in hall but will never get it. Why because of the national media required.

Now if you want what made the two so different stat wise.

John W. Mecom, Jr loved the playboy lifestyle of being a NFL owner. Not winning

Benson came in to win.

That is the true difference in the two.