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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Look SF, I\'m not quite dumb enough to suggest that a SB season doesn\'t include getting lucky. No question. Interesting, after all we\'ve been through lately. You\'ve insinuated time and again that I\'m nothing short of ignorant for bringing luck ...

 
 
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Old 10-12-2004, 01:32 PM   #11
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Look SF, I\'m not quite dumb enough to suggest that a SB season doesn\'t include getting lucky. No question.
Interesting, after all we\'ve been through lately. You\'ve insinuated time and again that I\'m nothing short of ignorant for bringing luck to the table, but nearly a year later you finally come around. LMAO

If the O-line is so porous, how did Deuce go for 1,600 last season?
Allow me to provide you with a simple example that you can observe as this season rolls along. First, watch Stecker run into the line and rarely advance. Then, watch Deuce run into the line and move people. This, I would submit, has FAR more to do with Deuce\'s 1600 than our line \"excelling\" at run blocking. T-Rex mattered too I think.

Point is, I\'m not blaming AB for this team\'s troubles. But he also shouldn\'t get immunity.
I don\'t know whether to accuse you of being blind or biased or what, but I don\'t now nor have I ever given \"immunity\" to Brooks. Perhaps to you it seems that way since I defend him when he is critized for WR\'s dropping catchable balls, when he is blamed for fumbles by the RB or for our defense\'s inability to stop a screen pass, but you know as well as I that he has been blasted unfairly. Whether you admit it or not doesn\'t really matter. There\'s tons and tons of history on this site and lots of others.

But you seem to want to ignore the times when AB steps up in the pocket, has a man downfield two steps behind his defender, and AB lofts a duck that isn\'t anywhere near the WR, or throws a rocket shot 10 yards over his head.
Wrong again. I don\'t ignore it. I challenge people who harp on a particular play by pointing out that Farve has made a bone-headed decision or two in his time. I watched, for example, Jake Delhomme under throw pass after pass last year. His WR\'s came back and made a play. NOBODY on the Delhomme bandwagon would even respond. Interesting huh? He\'s still doing it this year -- and throwing off his back foot -- \'cept he hasn\'t been anywhere near as fortunate (lucky). If you disagree then it\'s my opinion you\'re not being honest. What I\'m saying is Brooks\' critics aren\'t fair. If pointing that out gets filtered down to you thinking I give him \"immunity\" then so be it.


Who else has a Pro Bowl RB, Pro Bowl WR, hugely talented up-and-coming WR across from the PB WR, a third WR that could start most places, a veteran and former PB TE and a talented young TE who played WR in college? I\'m not suggesting that there aren\'t instances where this team fails Brooks, I just have a problem with you suggesting AB doesn\'t fail them just as often.
If Brooks would have fumbled the ball 4 times in limited action so far this year is there even a chance you\'d have popped on here and called him out? I think so -- but that\'s just my opinion -- based on history. Have you seen much in the way of mention regarding Deuce costing us the game with his 2nd fumble? No? Our Pro Bowl RB seems to have a problem lately.

Joe Horn comes to play...period. That\'s a given.

Just because our WR\'s are talented doesn\'t mean they perform. I\'m not at the games...I watch on TV, so I can\'t say for certain, but I\'d be willing to bet we have one WR (maybe two) that run good routes. Yes, sometimes I think Brooks hold on to the ball too long, but I think he gets blasted for it unfairly sometimes because I don\'t think our guys do much in the way of getting open. You disagree?

I don\'t think Conwell is playing necessarilly well, and I think Boo, while I\'m a fan of his, still has a lot to learn.

To say that I \"suggest\" Brooks doesn\'t fail the team just as often, I don\'t think, is accurate. I don\'t have to do much Brooks bashing. There are plenty of people more than ready to blame him for our inability to stop a screen for Christ\'s sake. He\'s not immune for sure, but he is not now nor has he ever been the problem with this team.

So now\'s where you ask me what I think the real problem is. My response? Coaching...to a degree. You guys wanna rake Haz over the coals...can\'t really blame you since he\'s the HC, but I maintain that I like Jim. I like his style. The Cowboys had 11 penalties last Sunday and played VERY undisciplined football against the Giants. There Coach: Bill Parcells. As I\'ve said before, the buck stops with Haz. However, I\'d like to keep Jim and do something horrible to Mike and Rick.

Seems to me that when Jake had a Pro Bowl RB behind him, Pro Bowl WR and a couple of other real good ones to throw to, he made it to the Super Bowl.
Ahh yes, he did, and played his heart out no question, but he got LUCKY more than a bachelor at a cat house last year. His WR\'s made plays ours don\'t. Period...and they aren\'t able to or aren\'t willing to make them this year? He got all the credit in the world for having \"it\", but \"it\" and $5.00 will buy you some coffee at Starbucks won\'t it? \"IT\" minus that line and a consistant running game -- and a little luck -- isn\'t worth much huh?


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