Jonathan Vilma returns to practice for Saints

TheOak · 10-22-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by thebdj

Interesting post at the end of the Linked Article - Harvin's return to the Seahawks is more important or more of an impact than Vilma's return to the Saints. Not quite so sure on that one.

It's difficult to compare two players so radically different. I really think the return of a leader on the D and another warm body in there makes a massive difference to our whole team. Whilst Harvin is a superb player and a great addition to their team, they have hardly been struggling offensively so another option he may be, but not a massive changer to how they have been performing thus far.

I'd say it's a big boost for both teams.

Be mindful that introducing a new leader into a tight group that already has one can upset the applecart.

Vilma has never lead this group, under this coach.

pinch · 10-23-2013, 01:33 PM

I'm not really in the mood to start tinkering with the defense.

|Mitch| · 10-23-2013, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Be mindful that introducing a new leader into a tight group that already has one can upset the applecart.

Vilma has never lead this group, under this coach.

Vilma and Lofton were both leaders and worked together last year, I recall them both saying they enjoyed and fed off each other. I don't see how a coaching change upsets anything

TheOak · 10-23-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Vilma and Lofton were both leaders and worked together last year, I recall them both saying they enjoyed and fed off each other. I don't see how a coaching change upsets anything

If you don't understand the dynamic and how it has changed from last year, then I can't help.

|Mitch| · 10-23-2013, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If you don't understand the dynamic and how it has changed from last year, then I can't help.

It's not like Vilma hasn't been around all this year, I very seriously doubt that the new teammates have any respect for Vilma [/sarcasm]

TheOak · 10-24-2013, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It's not like Vilma hasn't been around all this year, I very seriously doubt that the new teammates have any respect for Vilma [/sarcasm]

I am sure you have heard the phrase "if it isn't broken... don't fix it".

2012 was a season where the DC was Spagnuolo... For what ever reason the team didn't gel and from the anonymous comments after the season lead me to believe there was nearly a mutiny. So obviously there was no leadership in the coaching dept. For a player to come out like that tells me there was no CLEAR leadership period, but that could be just a product of rotating HCs, new DC, Vets being out the first half of the season etc....

Vilma only played in 11 games with 1 sack and 20 tackles, thats less than two tackles a game. So as far as what is left in the tank, I would say last year was a good data set.

2013 bring in Rob Ryan which I would say is a polar opposite to Spags in the leadership and team building department.

On leadership, there can be only 1 on the field leader. Any more than 1 leader will cause confusion, we are a younger defense and there needs to be no misunderstanding about who the on the field leader is. Now there can be an argument for two leaders as in 1 leader for the front 7 and one leader for the D-backs, but the front 7 is already covered with Lofton being that guy for all 16 games last season and all 6 games this season.

I no longer see Vilma as a leader of our defense, he is more of a mentor now just like Harrolson... But mentors only have a place if they are producing, we are limited to 53 and have a Galveston Ferry load of injuries.

A squad in the football trenches is much like a squad in the military trenches, when you have a good thing going, you don't tinker with the leadership.. It seldom works out better.

10-22-2013, 09:17 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Jonathan Vilma returns to practice for Saints Originally Posted by thebdj Interesting post at the end of the Linked Article - Harvin's return to the Seahawks is more important or more of an impact than Vilma's return to the Saints. Not quite so sure on that one. It's difficult to compare two players so radically different. I really think the return of a leader on the D and another warm body in there makes a massive difference to our whole team. Whilst Harvin is a superb player and a great addition to their team, they have hardly been struggling offensively so another option he may be, but not a massive changer to how they have been performing thus far. I'd say it's a big boost for both teams. Be mindful that introducing a new leader into a tight group that already has one can upset the applecart. Vilma has never lead this group, under this coach. AlaskaSaints and Mardigras9 like this.

10-23-2013, 01:33 PM	#2
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jonathan Vilma returns to practice for Saints I'm not really in the mood to start tinkering with the defense. Danno, AlaskaSaints and ChrisXVI like this.

10-23-2013, 05:02 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Jonathan Vilma returns to practice for Saints Originally Posted by TheOak Be mindful that introducing a new leader into a tight group that already has one can upset the applecart. Vilma has never lead this group, under this coach. Vilma and Lofton were both leaders and worked together last year, I recall them both saying they enjoyed and fed off each other. I don't see how a coaching change upsets anything

10-23-2013, 05:51 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Jonathan Vilma returns to practice for Saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Vilma and Lofton were both leaders and worked together last year, I recall them both saying they enjoyed and fed off each other. I don't see how a coaching change upsets anything If you don't understand the dynamic and how it has changed from last year, then I can't help.

10-23-2013, 06:02 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Jonathan Vilma returns to practice for Saints Originally Posted by TheOak If you don't understand the dynamic and how it has changed from last year, then I can't help. It's not like Vilma hasn't been around all this year, I very seriously doubt that the new teammates have any respect for Vilma [/sarcasm]

10-24-2013, 07:13 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Jonathan Vilma returns to practice for Saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It's not like Vilma hasn't been around all this year, I very seriously doubt that the new teammates have any respect for Vilma [/sarcasm] I am sure you have heard the phrase "if it isn't broken... don't fix it". 2012 was a season where the DC was Spagnuolo... For what ever reason the team didn't gel and from the anonymous comments after the season lead me to believe there was nearly a mutiny. So obviously there was no leadership in the coaching dept. For a player to come out like that tells me there was no CLEAR leadership period, but that could be just a product of rotating HCs, new DC, Vets being out the first half of the season etc.... Vilma only played in 11 games with 1 sack and 20 tackles, thats less than two tackles a game. So as far as what is left in the tank, I would say last year was a good data set. 2013 bring in Rob Ryan which I would say is a polar opposite to Spags in the leadership and team building department. On leadership, there can be only 1 on the field leader. Any more than 1 leader will cause confusion, we are a younger defense and there needs to be no misunderstanding about who the on the field leader is. Now there can be an argument for two leaders as in 1 leader for the front 7 and one leader for the D-backs, but the front 7 is already covered with Lofton being that guy for all 16 games last season and all 6 games this season. I no longer see Vilma as a leader of our defense, he is more of a mentor now just like Harrolson... But mentors only have a place if they are producing, we are limited to 53 and have a Galveston Ferry load of injuries. A squad in the football trenches is much like a squad in the military trenches, when you have a good thing going, you don't tinker with the leadership.. It seldom works out better. AlaskaSaints likes this.
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