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Seeing how we preform on the field is one thing, seeing how our players rank against the rest of the league is another.

Total Pressure Allowed (Sacks, Hits, Hurries) Ranked#5

Pass Blocking Efficiency
Center (DLP) #5,
Guards (Evans #8/Grubs #20),
Tackles (Strief #1 Brown #42),
*Guards and Tackles are ranked out of 57 players.

Run Blocking Efficiency
DLP (-3.6)
Evans (-3.4)
Grubs (7.6)
Strief (15)
Brown (-4.7)

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DLP our 2nd best pass blocker huh?

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Yep.. I struggled with that concept also.. The numbers come from PFT... Sort of an accumulation of the ReFo gradings you have been posting.

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Did you see a ranking of the run grades or just the grades?

It looks like Strief is by far our best O-lineman and the others aren't even close.

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I've noticed that a lot of the TFL's are because a LB is shooting the gaps in our zone blocking attempts. That wouldn't necessarily reflect on an O-lineman since they're actually blocking their man, its just the whole scheme is being poorly played.

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I swear dlp looks like the weak link.

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Zone blocking scheme needs to go

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I did see the rankings, but they can get skewed based on the % participation you chose to set
It on.


And yes on the LBs. Someone made a comment in the Dallas thread about Ware and what I remembered was the reverse where our TE was stuffed 8 yards back. We don't have to worry DEs as much as LBs shooting inside gaps. That would be a missed pick up I presume?


I'll cover RBs and WRs tomorrow in different threads.

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Look on the bright side, Brees is actually having to earn all his money. Let's just hope one of the O-line don't go down, what then? They are not playing well at all.

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Looking on the bright side as well, replacing a woefully under-performing O-lineman with a hungry reserve probably isn't that much of a drop-off is it?

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Where are you getting these numbers? Way cool.

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Where are you getting these numbers? Way cool. What is PFT?

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Our Guards this year are not doing well. Evans is hurt and Grubbs never really played well for us. Brees is best when able to step up in the pocket which he hasnt been able to do this year. Wouldn't mind Harris replacing Grubbs, he is a big boy and did well when playing for Strief.

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I wish we still had Bushrod. :/

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Letting nicks go was the killer. Too much pressure up front. Think he'd come back with a pay cut if I could cure his MRSA? Avoid death, Super Bowl ring, 3m/year pay cut?

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The way the starters are playing it could be an upgrade. The Jets D-line looked like pro-bowlers against us, I hate to think what San-Fran, Bengals or K.C. would look like or do? It could get real ugly.

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Here is a twist on that stat. While DLP may be making the blocks... There are no stats that cover not making the right calls on the line which is the Centers job. This year in particular and mostly in the last few games, am i the only one that noticed a gross amount of penalties on Brees while he stands at the line and tried to call out coverages? That is DLPs frikken job to do, DLP/the Center is responsible for calling the blocking assignments of the front 7, drew should be looking for mismatches in the secondary.

This would explain the delay of game penalties, and Drew not having the time to scan all of his receivers match ups in time. Would make logical sense that if you are QB and having to make the line calls for your line to protect your azz and they are not doing it well, when the ball is snapped you have only a few seconds find the receiver of choice. In Drew's case he doesn't have the time to find the "open" miss matches, so he goes where he knows will be the safest throw. Jimmy Graham.

I could be dead wrong but it makes logical sense of a lot of things for me personally.

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I dont think you are that far wrong, brees seemed to take ages to snap the ball vs jets and when the play clock ran out, it showed brees talking to DLP, he didnt look happy

Letting Kromer go may have cost us more than we realize, cant run block, struggling to pass block

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QB's identify the D they are in. You are right Center does make the assignments but Bree's has his job to do as well.

The problem is they try out out guess the other team. At some point you just go to the line and run the play that is called. Other wise its a lot order to get the other team to guess the snap count if you are always going on 2.

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The glaring delay of game penalties are the ones that come right after a time out... There is some serious confusion going on pre-snap with calls etc. when you are having a delay of game after a penalty.

It is time to be Drew Brees and stop trying to be Payton manning. I know it doesn't help that we don't run well and have no veteran receivers at 100@... I believe that is why Drew opts for the chess match.

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I like your theory BUT...do you have any explanation why it's happening now, but didn't happen in 2011, 2010, when it's been De La Puente at center the whole time? Maybe De La Puente is not taking to the new zone blocking scheme?

And there have been plenty of snaps in earlier games this year, I've noticed in home games in the Dome, where it came right down to the "00" on the clock, including some where the clock was clearly expired on double-zero and the refs have sorta "given" Drew an extra beat or portion of a second, like as if "00" counts as its own extra second.

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This just proves that Charles Brown has no business being the LT protecting Drew Brees' blindside. He is utterly pathetic. I would rather we have given Armstead the opputunity to start and get better than to keep running Brown out there. With a better LT the O-Line as a whole would have better productivity.

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And as far as De La Puenta goes, we should've re-signed Jonathon Goodwin after the 2010 season. Remember we thought we were getting Kruetz from Da Bears, but he would up being washed up and quitting and we never tried to improve from there. We now have no choice. With an adequate Center, I believe Grubbs can be servicable. But he'll never equal up to Carl Nicks.

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We had a different line in 2011 and 2010... We had a healthy line for the most part in 2011 and 2010. I dont think Strief and Evans are at 100% yet.

I would say its the zone blocking scheme. Previously our o-line blocked who was in front of them, now its much more complex and easier to miss a block by .2s when a LB jumps the snap.

A good judge of what is causing it is to know that the zone blocking is for run plays and not passing plays. Where to defenses shoot the most of our gaps and give us problems? On run plays... They are all over our RBs in the back field.

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Agreed, but I am not convinced that even Carl Nicks will ever equal up to Carl Nicks. From 2008-2010, we got his best football. But as far back as training camp in 2010 (benched for a few days) and the Rams game in 2011, Nicks was already showing subtle signs of a dropoff. Even without the MRSA and the toe/foot thing.

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Thats fair but those issues cant be addressed until the off season. I am trying to find the possible reasons for the poor play now and burn life theorizing possible solutions lol.

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I agree that Carl will never regain his 2009-2011 Dominance but if Grubbs can equal up to 75% of what Carl was the line would be 65% more effective. As it has been pointed out before, our line is really dependent on the guards and center more than the Tackles. Grubbs needs to step it up.

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I believe it, oddly enough when you watch the film, Evans and Brown seem to be responsible for the O-line woes this season as they get pushed back allowing the lineman to get through.

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what the. i hate these things. drew is getting sacked and hit like never before. end of story in my book

running game comes second to keeping drew healthy. as he goes the saints go

defense is doing fine for this year, it was going to be a roller coaster ride with them any ways. i really like the DL, it is a solid start. can not wait for a contract or two to end.

OLB need to get address against the run and the pass. pressure on the QB is only 1/3 of the game.

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It's a shame that we have an Oline t been traditionally a strength for us turn into such a weekness. I do put this on the coaching staff that something should have been done in free agency. The O line was getting pretty much beat up during training camp. Wishing Armstead would get a shot Brown doesn't look like the answer. With what we got we are really going to have to get healthy , hot , and some luck at the right time to make it to the dance. Without byes If we have to go the long road with this O line I just don't think the chances are good. Teams have figured this out and I dont think we have anything to counter at this point.

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Just need better play-calling; rely on more screens/draws/roll-outs to slow the rush.