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Thank goodness.

It was terrible for them to pick up the flag. They had the call correct and New England should have had 1st and goal at the 1 with a play to win the game.

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Clearly an attempt for the refs to avoid the media frenzy that would ensue if the Pats came back to win on a penalty.

Guess it backfired on them.

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I don't think PI should have been called to give them the ball at the 1 but I do think holding or illegal contact should have been called for 5 yards and an un-timed down given.

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Odd that the Pats have been involved in 2 controversial calls the ended a game.

The non-call in the Saints game cost us a win.
The non-call in the Panthers game gave the Panthers the win.

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Karma?

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I'd have rather them have won

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Touché...

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It was a BS non-call. But, on to next week.

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Best PATS pic of the year!!!

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And how do the not call either one of those, wow?

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Fine work Danno, fine work indeed

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The sad thing is these two calls may have translated to a two game differential for the Saints record. Pats win one, Panthers win one. Saints loose two.

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Great illustration ... just emailed Peter King this link, just for fun.

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I prefer it this way honestly. It breaks their hearts more when they think they have actually have a chance. :D

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Ohhhhh, that should be fun!

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Agreed ... there was definitely a defensive holding call in there somewhere ... :neutral:.

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Ball was in the air so it's PI

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there will always be the human factor, until they replay calls and non calls we will have to put up with it.

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There were so many things wrong with that play and call.

1. Ball was severely under thrown.
2. Luke Kuechly never looked back for the ball.
3. Flag was thrown, then picked up and no explanation was given.
4. Gronk never tried to come back for the ball.

Even if the Refs want to argue it was a non-foul because the ball was un-catchable making it not pass interference.The following two penalties would apply.

Illegal Contact - That is called anywhere any time during a play.
Holding - Which was clearly the case.

Bill Belichick ~ Dont let the game get close enough for a Referee's call to decide the game.

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By the rule book you're probably right, but I like the non-call because the ball wasn't catchable and like you said Gronk never made a movement toward the ball. That was on Gronk for not being dramatic enough.

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Actually the Pats have been involved in 3 controversial plays to end games.

The Jets game had that penalty on the missed FG by the Jets allowing them to kick it again and win in OT.

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It's history and moot at this point.

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Yeah, and I agree with the "uncatchable" argument (somewhat) that prompted the stripes to reverse the call, but I had NE in this one, :pissed:.

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My point is remove the subjective PI and you still have two penalties. Holding and illegal contact. Ever seen those calls on the line during a pass play? Same rules they were just closer to the point of reception. What Gronk did or didn't do doesn't negate those penalties. You can't wrap a receiver period. If you could we would just wrap them on the snap and be done with it.

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I agree no PI, but illegal contact at least.

Did you hear Brady screaming at the ref after the game? He was screaming and throwing a huge fit. I understand that he was fired up but I've seen him throw too many tantrums for it not to be annoying.

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Not really Karma for us though, we get screwed twice by a undeserved loss and a division rivsl winning

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That's where I'm having a problem with the call/non-call ... I heard something about the PI being reversed because the interception was an invalidating action and the ball was uncatchable, et... and I'll accept that, but the way Kuechly was wrapping Gronk up woulda' been criminal in a civilian court, so they're shoulda' been some kind of call, IMO.

And what about the point that the ball was in the air, so it couldn't be anything but PI, which has already been negated by the interception?

It's a very confusing call to me, as these kind usually are. :neutral:

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The problem with illegal contact (i.e., defensive holding) is that it must occur before the pass is in the air. The illegal contact came after the ball is released. So that penalty is off the table.

The PI is the real question mark here. I just think Gronk needed to fight through the bear hug and he didn't sell it. It cost them the penalty and a chance to win the game.

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The biggest thing for me is that it wasn't the ref who threw the flag who reversed it, it was that country bumpkin Clete Blakeman who picked up the flag and gave no real explanation for the non-call...you just can't get away with holding of that magnitude on an endzone play.

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From this it looks like Gronk plants his right foot as if he is gonna break on the ball...clearly he is obstructed by Kuechly though. I think this one came straight from vegas.

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Much like the overturn of the original call on the Corey White fumble into the endzone.

So here we have a ref standing right where he needs to be to make that call (out of bounds at the 1 yard line), but Mr. Corrente comes flying in from 40 yards away and decides he had a better look at it and that it was a touchback.

You let the original call stand and you review it. You don't come in to overturn a call because you "think" it went across the inside of the pylon and out of the back of the endzone.

If you understand anything about geometry, White fumbles it at the 2 and the ball lands 3 yards to the right of the sideline. Draw a straight line from the 2 very near the sideline to a point 10 yards out and 3 yards to the right. I bet you have a difficult time deciding if the ball went over the pylon or not.

At the very least the review official should have declared White down by contact when he originally intercepted the ball. The call there usually rules in favor of contact if it's a bang bang call.

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Why I wish they had beat Carolina I do not feel sorry for them one bit. They beat us the exact same way as they got beat. By a stupid penalty that should have been called but wasn't.

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Blakeman says it was an uncatchable pass.
Blandino says it was simultaneous contact.

So the head official and the VP of officiating are not on the same page.... Priceless!

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While NE is feeling screwed by the refs - and they were - maybe they can think back to the Saints game when they had Jr in a choke hold to keep him off of Brady on the game winning pass.

What goes around, comes around multiplied.

First the Jets beat you with that penalty on a missed FG and now the Panthers get away with a defensive hold if not a PI (either way you would have had one more play)

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What most people miss in all of this controversy is the clock management issue by Belichick in allowing 40 seconds to run off on the play after the 2 minute warning.

Who in their right mind wants 40 seconds to run off the clock vs losing a timeout? I thought it was a mistake when it was happening and it came back to bite them.

You're NEVER going to run off 40 seconds of the clock on your own if you are out of timeouts (and definitely not an offense led by Tom Brady). So it's always more valuable to save the 40 seconds vs saving a timeout.

2 timeouts and 1:38 left on the clock vs 3 timeouts and 59 seconds. You think Brady leads them to a touchdown? Probably. If you replace that with having to hurry up to spike a ball or run the next play that would probably take you 15 seconds vs losing almost the entire 40 seconds like they did. Ultimately the Patriots lost about 25 seconds on the clock based on that one decision by Belichick. So that puts you at the 18 yard line with about 30 seconds left on the clock and no timeouts. Not sure why most head coaches are clock management-challenged. Even the great ones.

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They are showing the Patriots/Colts AFC CG from 2006 on NFL Network this week.

Belichick makes the same exact clock management mistake in that game. Doesn't call a timeout as the Colts are inside the 10 trying to score the go ahead touchdown. 40 seconds run off the clock.

Down 4, Brady leads the Pats to the Colts 40. But there is only 24 seconds left on the clock and a timeout. Again, having 1:04 seconds on the clock and no timeouts would have been so much better and allowed the Pats to not be so pressured to make plays down the field. The next play was an interception to end the game.

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And don't forget, the infamous "INTERTOUCHDOWNCEPTION" call last year with Seattle/Green Bay, was the same exact thing.... One official right there on the spot called it correctly, and the other came flying in from way far away and over ruled him.

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Humans