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D_it_up 12-02-2013 10:17 PM

No Excuses
 
Our boys just flat out stink tonight. Both sides of the ball. Time to regroup and focus on the division instead of #1 seed for the playoffs.

Halo 12-02-2013 10:18 PM

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Total failure at every position (except for punter). Congrats Seattle, I'm already thinking about Carolina.

exile 12-02-2013 10:20 PM

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My pizza is cold.

saintsfan1976 12-02-2013 10:20 PM

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Sometimes your the windshield, sometimes your the bug.

Great gameplan and effort by Seattle.

We looked shocked.

Jack Vegas 12-02-2013 10:31 PM

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Yep, we are flat out getting smoked. I can't recall the Saints playing this bad since the Katrina year when they were playing in Tiger Stadium. But Seattle is good, they are making a statement.

Good Lord why is Brees still playing. get him out of there.

bobdog86 12-02-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 555472)
Sometimes your the windshield, sometimes your the bug.

Great gameplan and effort by Seattle.

We looked shocked.

Totally agree,, From the first whistle. They dominated both sides of the ball, we definitely had our arses handed to us tonight. That's the way it is, they need to get back to work tomorrow and try to get the stinky taste out of their mouth's which may take a while. Tough week coming up.

The Dude 12-02-2013 10:35 PM

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I really do think we could lose out. I have serious doubts this team even gets a wild card spot.

SASaintsfan 12-02-2013 10:36 PM

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God you're a joke dude.

westbankdaze 12-02-2013 10:37 PM

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On to the next game. Hopefully we take out our frustration on the Panthers. More importantly, I seriously hope some other team takes Seattle out of the playoffs - no way in hell do I want to go back to that stadium.

halloween 65 12-02-2013 11:00 PM

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Manhanled at both ends. 5fh ranked D, #6-Offense, all I can say, we better get it together.

WHODATINCA 12-02-2013 11:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 555500)
I really do think we could lose out. I have serious doubts this team even gets a wild card spot.

Yeah, dude. I really don't know why you are still a fan. I hear there is room on the bandwagon in Seattle. Might as well go where they are winning all the time, huh?

darstep 12-02-2013 11:08 PM

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Nobody made any plays.
When it was time to protect on 3rd and long, we didn't.
When it was time for us to tighten on 3rd and long, we didn't.
When the ball hit our hands on 3rd and whatever, we couldn't hang on.
When an interception hit our hands, we couldn't hold it.
Flushing isn't enough for this one, we need to use the brush with some of that foam stuff and deodorizer.
Close the door leave the exhaust fan running for a while.

WHODATINCA 12-02-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 555552)
Nobody made any plays.
When it was time to protect on 3rd and long, we didn't.
When it was time for us to tighten on 3rd and long, we didn't.
When the ball hit our hands on 3rd and whatever, we couldn't hang on.
When an interception hit our hands, we couldn't hold it.
Flushing isn't enough for this one, we need to use the brush with some of that foam stuff and deodorizer.
Close the door leave the exhaust fan running for a while.

ROFLMAO!!! Thank you.

B_Dub_Saint 12-02-2013 11:13 PM

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Outplayed, out manned, out coached. That sums it up.

K Major 12-02-2013 11:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 555508)
More importantly, I seriously hope some other team takes Seattle out of the playoffs - no way in hell do I want to go back to that stadium.

+1. They are solid across the board.

foreverfan 12-02-2013 11:16 PM

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It was obvious we were looking past Seattle to Carolina.

pinch 12-02-2013 11:16 PM

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Plan B:

1. Win the Divsion
2. Hope to God a Wildcard team beats Seattle in Seattle

No Plan C yet....

NonieT 12-02-2013 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 555562)
It was obvious we were looking past Seattle to Carolina.

I hope that's true!

hagan714 12-02-2013 11:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pinch (Post 555565)
Plan B:

1. Win the Divsion
2. Hope to God a Wildcard team beats Seattle in Seattle

No Plan C yet....

it aint over. san fran wants them bad.

only plan that counts is doing our job the rest will be what it is.

Beastmode 12-02-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 555467)
Total failure at every position (except for punter). Congrats Seattle, I'm already thinking about Carolina.

Actually Payton threw the kicking game under the bus during the presser. Said the kicks were short.

dueceloose 12-02-2013 11:56 PM

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Hopefully Rob can get his sheet together.. I blame the d much more than the offense.

FeelTheBrees 12-03-2013 12:42 AM

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I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance.

It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed.

Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge.

Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF).

And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game.

WHODATINCA 12-03-2013 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees (Post 555647)
I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance.

It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed.

Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge.

Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF).

And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game.

Right, so, if I understand you correctly, we have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game soooooo....your Rx then would be? Take the rest of the season off in the Bahamas? Maybe, take up cricket?

SloMotion 12-03-2013 06:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FeelTheBrees (Post 555647)
I'm not sure how this is going to go over with some of you, but I'm just going to say it. I'm pretty objective and tend to be able to see the bigger picture without letting bias get in the way. I thought Seattle held a slight edge tonight because we were going to their house, but I thought we at least had a chance.

It would have been a different story if this game would've been in the Superdome. Its not far-fetched to say that the location of the game tonight ended up paving the way for who is going to win the NFC. If it would've been in NO, there's no way we're not competing for the win with a good chance to win and snatch up the #1 seed.

Seattle and New Orleans are the top two places in the NFC where NO ONE wants to come. Unfortunately, now we can't make it to the Super Bowl without going back to Seattle and winning a playoff game (assuming they don't shat the bed over the next few weeks. I don't see SF giving them any trouble). Does anyone honestly think we can go back there and win a playoff game? I think it's POSSIBLE but not likely, because Seattle is probably slightly better overall as a team and the home field advantage just puts them over the edge.

Seattle's defense is filthy good, and they were even down two of their best secondary players tonight. Russell Wilson makes all the right plays when they matter. Marshawn Lynch is a monster. We were able to contain him tonight, but that allowed Wilson to throw it downfield...pick your poison. They are healthy and solid on the offensive and defensive lines. I do a NFL playoff bracket every year with some friends, and I had Seattle winning it all last year. They probably could have too if not for Shatlanta getting the lucky FG against them (we all know they would've beat SF in the NFC championship because they own SF).

And this year they probably will have home field advantage throughout. I still think the Saints are a great team and will be rooting my hardest for them, but I honestly don't see ANY team going to Seattle and winning a playoff game.

You make some solid points, IMO ... hopefully this can be one of those learning/if-it-doesn't-kill-you-it-only-makes-you-stronger type experiences and now that the Saints know what they're in for, can better prepare.

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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 555704)
... Maybe, take up cricket?

I've seen a cricket match ... those guys battle for days sometimes, :lol:.

neugey 12-03-2013 06:42 AM

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The Seahawks coaches called a great game and the players played out of their minds. A lot of the bounces and calls went their way too. You have to give them credit because they played lights out and I doubt any of the other 30 teams in the NFL would have been able to hang with them either tonight.

As for the Saints, we need to dig deeper and find what it takes to win a game in an environment and situation like that. Obviously we may need to in the playoffs.

The one bright side is that if we have to return to Seattle in the playoffs, no one outside our fan base will give us a chance and everyone will presume they will dominate us again. We will have the element of shock and surprise then I hope.

Mardigras9 12-03-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 555500)
I really do think we could lose out. I have serious doubts this team even gets a wild card spot.

Wow?

I do think we are going to have a hard time with a mobile QB like Cam. That was obvious with Wilson, and Cam is way harder to bring down. Hope the D learned a containment lesson last night. Carolina should only lose to us on their remaining schedule and we have to play the Rams (never know what Rams team will show that day at their house). We have to earn the #2 seed, no doubt.

FeelTheBrees 12-03-2013 09:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 555704)
Right, so, if I understand you correctly, we have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game soooooo....your Rx then would be? Take the rest of the season off in the Bahamas? Maybe, take up cricket?

You misunderstood. We have little to nil chance of winning a playoff game in Seattle. If we get the #2 seed, we will dominate someone in round 2 in the Dome. It's going to Seattle for the NFC championship that's going to be a problem. I think someone already said our best plan is to pray someone who matches up better knocks them out in round 2.

FeelTheBrees 12-03-2013 09:55 AM

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The worst (or maybe best? I'm so confused) part of it is that Sean and Drew both said neither the noise nor the weather affected the game much. The team was ready for all of that and did a great job communicating. I know the defense doesn't have to deal with the noise, but it sure seemed like the Saints D were the one having trouble communicating. They often looked like they weren't ready right before the snap. I noticed several times some of the DBs would make a signal that looked like "switch me", and a few times the guy they were signaling never saw it. I'm not sure what that was all about but the play usually ended poorly when I saw that happening.

Good news is that we can supposedly play there without the noise affecting us. Bad news is that we got dominated anyway. I don't have many answers or suggestions but here's a few:

1. Commit to the run...even when you are down because you can't pass it on that secondary.
2. While it is important to stop Lynch, you still can't give up big passes
3. Win the turnover ratio
4. Don't bite on the RB on the read option
5. Protect on the o-line

Obviously this is easier said than done...

TheOak 12-03-2013 10:01 AM

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Lets just call it what it was.

Seattle played against us like we played against Dallas.... and that doesn't happen very often. If we see them in Clink it will be a different game.

Supertek 12-03-2013 11:16 AM

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Our guys were so confused and their recievers were wide open. Something has to be done to straighten that out. Payton failed miserably and didn't dtick to what worked trying to push the ball downfield too early, trying to run with Ingram when it wasn't working and our recievers dropping balls didn't seem they were even trying to run their routes with any vigor. If they would have followed the pattern of dinking and dunking down the field until something began to open up we may have had a chance. What that one drive almost 9 minutes that is how you beat those guys. Sad thing is how far away we were from being competitive. Hope I never see a performance like this one for a long time. Have to give cudos to Seattle. Our team folded and showed no resilance.

K Major 12-03-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Supertek (Post 555828)
Our guys were so confused and their recievers were wide open. Something has to be done to straighten that out. Have to give cudos to Seattle. Our team folded and showed no resilance.

I agree ST,
We had some pretty bad drops in this game. Brees was by no means perfect in the game but the WR's didn't help out much. Absolutely no yards after the catch and a lot of 3 and outs. Very surprising to see this from a high octane offense in New Orleans - credit to the Seachickens.

Where in the hell was Lance Moore last night??

WHODATINCA 12-04-2013 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 555834)
Where in the hell was Lance Moore last night??

Where the hell has Lance Moore been all season. Something is very wrong there. I used to think he was awesome. Not any more. 57% passes caught is not good enough.

SloMotion 12-05-2013 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 556192)
Where the hell has Lance Moore been all season. Something is very wrong there. I used to think he was awesome. Not any more. 57% passes caught is not good enough.

Is it possible that after having such a good season last year, the other teams are just focusing on him more? IDK, but IIRC, he damn sure made people sit up & take notice. Maybe it's just taking SP longer then usual to find a solution.

Just a theory off the top of my head, I welcome any/all comments or analysis as sometimes I just don't see the finer points of the game and am frustrated (as I'm sure Lance is) with his production as well. :neutral:.

TheOak 12-05-2013 07:51 AM

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Lance was a WR3 until Graham started getting the lions share of the targets.

As for lance, you need to ask Sean Payton why Meachem has only 9 snaps less. Stills has had more snaps and Pass Routs than Lance...
Colston's catch % is 71.2
Graham's catch % is 66.7
Stills's catch % is 65.7
Moore's catch % is 61.8
Meachem's catch % is 54.5

Drew still targets Graham for the majority of the passes.

Thrown At:
Graham 102
Colston 66
Meachem 22
Stills 35
Moore 34


I heard an interesting comment from Pat Kerwin yesterday: "The Saints passing game is either Long Strike or Check Down".


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