Saints vs Seattle Breakdown
 

I am not going to post the grades since most don't care for them but i will post what happened.

Where to start... Since they passed on us easily i will go with this first. I am not going to run these all into one post so i will update here with different groups performance.

Coverage
Corey White
Receptions allowed -4
Yards allowed - 39
TDs allowd -0
PD - 1 (Only one with a Pass Defended)
Tate 1-4
Kearse 1-7
Miller 0 allowed
Baldwin 1-7
Robinson 1-21

Malcom Jenkins
Receptions allowed - 5
Yards Allowed - 95
TDs allowed - 1
Kearse 1-19
Baldwin 2-66
Coleman 1-8
L. Wilson 1-2

Curtis Lofton
Receptions -3
Yards - 21
TDs -0
Tate 1-12
Miller 1-13
Lynch 1 -(-4)

Keenan Lewis
Receptions -3
Yards - 48
TDs -1
Tate 1-12
Baldwin 1-4
Lockette 1-33

Roman Harper
Receptions - 1
yards -7
TDs -0
Miller -0 Allowed
Lynch 1-7

Chris Carr
Receptions - 1
yards -17
TDs -0
Miller -0 Allowed
Lynch ) Allowed

Ramon Humber
Receptions -2
yards -11
TDs -1
Miller -1-2
Lynch 1-9

Kenny Vaccaro
Receptions -1
yards -1
TDs -0
Miller 1-1

David Hawthorne
Receptions -1
yards -60
TDs -0
Miller 1-60

Parys Haralson
Receptions -1
yards -10
TDs -0
Miller 1-10

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Offensive Line

I can hit this a number of ways, we didnt run well so i will look at QB protection.

Drew Brees
Sacks 1
Hit 3
Hurried 9

Brown
Hurries 2

Grubbs
Hit 1
Hurry 2

DLP
Hurry 1

Evans
Hit 1
hurry 1
Strief
Sack 1
Hurry 1

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Breakdown we broke down.

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So, now we know who the culprit was........it was the whole team.

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Pretty much.

Ill give a glimpse of the grades.

Pass Coverage
Best - vaccaro and White
Worst Lewis

Pass blocking
Best - Brown
Worst - Evans

Run Blocking
Best - Grubbs
Bottom 3 - Strief, Evans, DLP

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We went all in on the run cause that's what killed us against the Jets, but still a big reason why we beat the 49ers...and we actually shut down Lynch (had Wilson not played probably the best game of his career/Brees having one of his worst this game would have been much closer).
Anyways, we typically we stop either the run or the pass and then leak a little bit in the other area of the game until the offence picks up and at that point we start rolling. Once we force the opposition into playing from behind and becoming one dimensional, the d-line usually wears down the o-line and that's where our strength is (1st in the NFL in sacks).
This one was just a debacle, Wilson showed up when we shut down Lynch and our offence had the worst outing of the Brees-Payton era...every team has hiccups, given who we have had to play and how we've had to play them (physical games in short proximity coupled with a lot of travelling) I'm not ready to throw in the towel and give the NFC to the 'hawks.

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Under pressure...Drew missed numerous open receivers, Wilson hit nearly every one of them.

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For all of you who are ready to jump on me for making excuses, I will concede that I am stating the obvious by saying that the game woulda been closer had the offence not come out and laid an egg, but even the best teams have bad games.
I mean look at how the Colts took down the Broncos, Hawks and 49ers and then got worked by the Rams.

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Stop throwing the ball to Hill...Please!

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We held them to 3 on the first drive. Lynch gets rocked and fumbles...we don't recover it. White catches an interception and drops it. That would have put us at +1 in the takeover category with Drew's fumble TD.

The TD Seattle had at the end of the first half after Graham's TD was the killer. Blown coverage big time.

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This is exactly what I was saying. It was a meltdown at every level. Obviously, our players are good to great. I do not see how this is not on preparation and game planning.

The only other answer is that Seattle is unbeatable in Seattle. I do not buy that -- but they do have a very good team this year.

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I'm not questioning your work ethic or your effort for putting this all together, Oak, it's good stuff, but I feel like Drew was hurried last night, way more than just 9 times. That just can't be right. It looked like he was hurried or had linemen in his face or backside on virtually 2 out of every 3 snaps.

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Bree's was hurried because no one could get open with the coverage they were using on us.

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I liked the way White played, he held his own. V played good and the D-line was good. The rest of the D well not so good and I really don't want to think about our high-powered O. But it was a lesson learned.

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Yup, I dunno who Miller was assigned to, but they sure sh*t the bed.

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I went back and watch this game this morning, you can maybe initially attribute some of the Offensive mess last night to coming out flat. But if watch the game back Seattle's triangle defense and the speed at which their defense plays was just to much for the Saints last night. They had LB's covering Graham and back out of the back field most of the night and being position to knock the ball away or tackle for little or no gain. Almost every pass was contested / defended by 1 or more defenders and when we did get someone open Brees's did not have the time to pick his target and throw with accuracy when are accustom to seeing or the receiver just flat dropped it. Meachum really did not have much of any opportunity to catch the balls thrown his way Sherman was on him like rug and looked like he had 4 arms and hands. Sorry to say it but we were outplayed and out coached last night. It happens ... Now lets get down to it as we only have 5 days left and get ready for Panther's and put some Kryptonite on Newtons Butt. I be in the Dome early loud and proud. :bng:

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Hey Saints fan, Hawks fan here.

I wanted to come on here and say good game, but then I realized I probably would sound like a troll if I said that. Instead, I have to ask wtf happened to Brees last night? The Saints did not look like they were prepared at all for this game. There was several issues with the crowd noise that I know Brees was downplaying in his post game interview. There was 2 delay penality (only 1 called) and 2 forced time outs in the second half and that was mainly attributed to crowd noise. I could have sworn at the beginning of the telecast they said the Saints even had custom made ear plugs fitted and everything.

The way I see it, the Saints just played against a superior team in the Seahawks last night. I know reading from the pregame chatter on here, many of you will disagree with, but you just need to relook at last nights tape and hopefully even the most homerish fans would come to that conclusion. Given the way both teams played, I doubt playing in your dome would have changed the outcome other than the score a little. The Saints had no answer to our press, man 2 man coverage we ran all night (I don't know what Gruden was talking about when he kept mentioning zone, the Hawks play 1 deep and man coverage all the way around). I thought Graham would be making more noise once he found out he was going to be covered by a LB for most of the game.

Your WR really need to be better at beating press coverage. I am not sure how they have been all year long, but last night there was no seporation from them once our DB's got their hand on them. To me, that was the biggest problem you faced. I knew you guys would have a hard time running on our D. I know there was an article out there that painted such a pretty picture that our D can be ran upon, but that article was the poster child for twisting stats to fit an argument. In reality, our run D is just as strong if not stronger than our pass D. We have the big bodies that know how to play to be effective on run D.

If a rematch does happen, and I really do hope there is one, Payton needs to run more bunch and screen routes to get a guy free to make some plays. I can only remember once when you guys got into bunch formation, and that has been the worst formation for our type of defense.

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I was at the game and also just finished watching the game on my DVR and I agree with your assessment.

Seattle stopped both the Saints run and short passing games... and Seattle connected on the long passing plays that the Saints didn't.

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Here is the difference on most of them. It was pressure but pressure on a different side of the line of scrimmage.

I saw no less than 4 First Downs missed because Graham, Colston, Meachem actually caught passes and let Seattle's dback knocked it out or knuckled up and couldn't catch a ball to the hands.

Wilson had two 40+ yard and at least 1 TD passes uncontested at the point of reception.

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The same coverage we always have fits with (and lose games)

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Jeniks. 95 yds and a TD. and that crucial 3rd down, deep in their own territory, back shoulder throw for a first down.... that was a killer

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the attack was simple use our over aggressive and poor discipline against the saints defense. they did what the Pats did but were better at it. expect the panthers to the same

the defense attack was simple
phase 1
just beat up on the offense line and they will fold.
phase 2
coverage was basic because they knew phase 1 was going to work

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i agree but that TD he gave up in end zone was and still is hard to take. Jenkins is taking the heat in the papers but he had his man covered and white his guy cross over away from the flow and turning him loose leaving Jenkins to cover two players going in opposite direction.

white screwed the poach on that play. turning his guy lose to dbl team another player or that was what he was suppose to and then i look to the play calling as piss poor.

after the way the game went and the defense was totally out coached and left out to dry by our coaching staff i have to put the blame on the coaches. the odds say it so.

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We had NUMEROUS receivers open? Hmmm Interesting

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My question also. I sure didn't see Drew miss many throws.

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He underthrew a couple deep balls (as he usually does) and overthrew several of those out patterns, and threw behind the receiver several times. They were mere inches from being completed, whereas Wilson threw several passes under pressure that were near perfect passes.

I doubt that happens again.

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The focus on D was Lynch... period. Almost like they ignored game planning against Wilson moving and creating plays. After getting burned EVERY time they touched the ball for a score in the first half, you would think that they would put someone on him as a spy, like they used to do with Vick. Keep him in the pocket and half of those throws downfield to wide open receivers never connect.

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Games like this dont happen just by being good or bad.

It could be something like Seattle knowing what the Saints were calling every play. Remember that crap on Loomis for wire tapping? I say go investigate that stadium for it.

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Wilson and the Seahawks were bothered by Drew Brees and the visiting Saints in the same way lightning is bothered by an oak tree.

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If White catches that pick the oak tree may have tuned into a ground pole.

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If wishes were horses, the beggars would ride.