Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

After doing some research I found this item worthy of its own thread.


TO ALL the "man I wish we had Bushrod"... "we lost Bushrod because of Brees"... "Should have never let go of Bushrod" "Drew is getting killed since we lost Bushrod" fans

*Bushrod against Quinn* <- Worst game of season for Bushrod
QB HU - 7
QB Sack - 1

*Brown against Quinn* <- Worse game of season for Brown (48 snaps)
QB HU - 1
QB Hit - 2
QB Sack -2

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

You are correct on this one and I agree, HOWEVER after the first couple of games I've never trusted Brown in any scenario. Bushrod while overrrated was still a solid lineman and I trusted in most cases. So is this fans complaining after one game or what they have seen thus far? Cause brown has been horrible as a tackle. It's neither here nor there now. It's crying over spilled milk. Let's see if this rookie got what it takes to be an NFL player.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Both are simply mediocre.

Bushrod is a mediocre LT making 7 million per season

Brown is a mediocre LT making just over league minimum.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

In Loomis I trust.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

bushrod was good because of drew end of story.

brown was not an up grade

i think the rest of the OL is getting off easy on this one. once again way to much push up the middle.

brown is an easy target to make the scape goat

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

^^ This is why I believe Payton did that crazy move with yanking Brown and shifting Strief over, who apparently hadn't played a snap on that side in years, so suddenly in the middle of a game, with no planning. Payton just couldn't trust Brown with Drew anymore. Zach Strief, whatever people here may think of him or his skill level, Payton knows him, and knows he can trust him. He is a known quantity and Payton knows that Strief gets the "do your job" and "next man up" ethos. It became like a "who do you want in your foxhole" decision.

It's similar to the one or two times when they've put Jimmy Graham out there on defense on a Hail Mary at the end of the game. It's not his position, but at the end of the day, Payton trusts him more than he trusts some backup third string safety, to make a grab or bust a ball up in the end zone.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Oak, you're the numbers guy. Wasn't Brown leading the league in holding calls at one point this year.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

The biggest advantage Bushrod had over Brown was that he was a really good run blocker. People forget, but Bushrod was an issue in his first year starting at left tackle too. He eventually turned the corner, but remember that Strief took over his spot for a couple or three games.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

You are right but the eye in the sky doesn't lie. Did you ever see progression from brown? Remember he has had starts in others seasons and should have a seasons worth if not more. Some guys have it and some don't. Maybe the light switch comes on for brown, but it won't be in a saints uni.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Penalties are all mental and clearly Browns head was in a funk... This is why I think payton replaced him with Strief. Not looking to get better play against the leagues best DE but to get the same play with out the drive and momentum killing penalties.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Are you saying all penalties are mental or just pre snap? Cause I don't think all penalties are mental. It can be anywhere from bad technique to flat out getting beat and doing what you can do and hope u don't get caught. In that game, it was all the above.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

I said Browns penalties were mental. Brown had 4 penalties 2 holding and 2 illegal use of hands. These guys know what they are doing, and bad technique is mental.


A lot of people didn't have their head in the game last week
New Orleans Saints @ St. Louis Rams - 12/15/2013 - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - List/Statistics/Data of NFL Penalties - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

How dare you question the Resident Football Swami! He knows everything about everything!

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Sure, I've seen progression from Brown. I am not saying I want him to be the starting LT for this team in the future, but he's gone up against some pretty good pass rushers this season and did OK. I think it is easy to blame him because he's clearly the weak link on the o-line, but how come he rarely struggles at home? I think the offense has communication issues in road games that make the o-line as a whole look a lot worse than they really are.

I don't care for Brown, never have, happy to see Armstead or Strief or whoever step into his place. I just think people are overstating things a little bit in regards to how bad he's played at times.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Bushrod is better than these two sorry son of wow wow we have on our team. Bushrod isn't one of the best tackles in the league but Brown hasn't showed me a damn thing since we drafted him and Streif is it me are this guy can't move at all.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Putting Bryce Harris in didn't help much either so we shouldn't hope he is any sort of an answer.

Brown in 48 snaps LT
2 sacks 2 hits and 1 hurry up

Harris 46 snaps RT
1 sack 1 hit 4 Hurry ups

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

I imagine this is the reason Payton is playing Armstead instead of Strief at left tackle. At least you know Strief will pretty much hold down the right side, so even if Armstead sucks at least you know you've only got to worry about one side instead of both.

Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown
 

Expect us to run left and keep their DE/DT home.