Final season stats for defense

TheOak · 12-30-2013, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

If drew restructures and jimmy doesn't try and over do it maybe we can keep Moore I'm sure he'd restructure anyway. Nothing like being in a familiar team that is good.

Someone is gone after this season...

WR
Colston
Meachem
Moore
Stills
Toon
Morgan

Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone.

There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches.

The reds go and we pick up new Receivers.

Danno · 12-30-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Someone is gone after this season...

WR
Colston
Meachem
Moore
Stills
Toon
Morgan

Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone.

There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches.

The reds go and we pick up new Receivers.

Thats quite a turnaround. I think Meachem stays at vet minimum until someone takes his spot. Replacing 4 of your 6 receivers in one season is tough.

WhoDatFan26 · 12-30-2013, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Someone is gone after this season...

WR
Colston
Meachem
Moore
Stills
Toon
Morgan

Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone.

There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches.

The reds go and we pick up new Receivers.

Next years top 4 Wideouts will be Colston, Stills, Morgan and Toon.

whybag · 12-30-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Next years top 4 Wideouts will be Colston, Stills, Morgan and Toon.

Toon better be sleeping with the ball to cure those brick hands of his.

Schmohams · 12-30-2013, 10:37 AM

I want Morgan back, he was looking to have a big season. We let Henderson go and we figured Morgan would be ready. But I have faith, that moment he flipped that guy off his back vs TB last year I was sold, loads of potential.

TheOak · 12-30-2013, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

I want Morgan back, he was looking to have a big season. We let Henderson go and we figured Morgan would be ready. But I have faith, that moment he flipped that guy off his back vs TB last year I was sold, loads of potential.

Yes but like Ivory he cant stay healthy. You cant make the team from the whirlpool.

Jack Vegas · 12-30-2013, 11:08 AM

Some thoughts on the defense next year since people started that:

Secondary: I don't mind Jenkins staying on a cheap deal, but IMO Vaccaro and Bush should be the two starting safeties. Both are multi-dimensional versatile players who can cover, hit hard and tackle well. Jenkins would be a good 3rd guy to have around because he can play all DB positions. Harper is gone. I do think Greer is probably done/gone sadly, but Lewis/White/Robinson is a real good starting point at CB if that is indeed the case.

Linebackers: Haralson will be cheap so re-sign him, with Galette and Butler that should make for a good rotation of outside LBs. I really like the Lofton/Hawthorne combo a lot, good players who work well together. Herring/Vilma/Smith all gone. People want to get rid of Lofton, I don't understand that at all. He has some limitations, sure, but he is still a very good player and the brains of the defense.

D-line: All of these young guys are locked in. The only guy I can see possibly being gone is Bunkley because it would save about 1.3 million and Hicks could move over to nose tackle with very little drop-off IMO. Bigger roles for Walker/Foster too. At some point Jordan/Hicks are going to get big raises, if we can keep those two guys happy and together this will be a solid d-line for years and years to come.

WhoDatFan26 · 12-30-2013, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Some thoughts on the defense next year since people started that:

Secondary: I don't mind Jenkins staying on a cheap deal, but IMO Vaccaro and Bush should be the two starting safeties. Both are multi-dimensional versatile players who can cover, hit hard and tackle well. Jenkins would be a good 3rd guy to have around because he can play all DB positions. Harper is gone. I do think Greer is probably done/gone sadly, but Lewis/White/Robinson is a real good starting point at CB if that is indeed the case.

Linebackers: Haralson will be cheap so re-sign him, with Galette and Butler that should make for a good rotation of outside LBs. I really like the Lofton/Hawthorne combo a lot, good players who work well together. Herring/Vilma/Smith all gone. People want to get rid of Lofton, I don't understand that at all. He has some limitations, sure, but he is still a very good player and the brains of the defense.

D-line: All of these young guys are locked in. The only guy I can see possibly being gone is Bunkley because it would save about 1.3 million and Hicks could move over to nose tackle with very little drop-off IMO. Bigger roles for Walker/Foster too. At some point Jordan/Hicks are going to get big raises, if we can keep those two guys happy and together this will be a solid d-line for years and years to come.

Jenkins is staying put if no more than because he can play both Safety positions and the slot receiver if needed. For those of you over 34 years old, think of the 1985 Bears and their versatility on defense. That is what Rob Ryan is striving for. Jenkins is far from the problem, lose him and you'll really have problems.

Schmohams · 12-30-2013, 11:41 AM

When Bunkley got hurt John Jenkins was a bossing it up with tackles for loss and big run stuffs. But now that Bunkley is back I don't even see him, trade Bunkley, save cap space and get younger.

SaintLeonard · 12-30-2013, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

When Bunkley got hurt John Jenkins was a bossing it up with tackles for loss and big run stuffs. But now that Bunkley is back I don't even see him, trade Bunkley, save cap space and get younger.

Bunkley has been good in run support this year. He may not be getting TFLs, but he is not letting the RB get very many positive yards.

12-30-2013, 10:24 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Final season stats for defense Originally Posted by dueceloose If drew restructures and jimmy doesn't try and over do it maybe we can keep Moore I'm sure he'd restructure anyway. Nothing like being in a familiar team that is good. Someone is gone after this season... WR Colston Meachem Moore Stills Toon Morgan Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone. There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches. The reds go and we pick up new Receivers.

12-30-2013, 10:29 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Final season stats for defense Originally Posted by TheOak Someone is gone after this season... WR Colston Meachem Moore Stills Toon Morgan Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone. There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches. The reds go and we pick up new Receivers. Thats quite a turnaround. I think Meachem stays at vet minimum until someone takes his spot. Replacing 4 of your 6 receivers in one season is tough. WHODATINCA likes this.

12-30-2013, 04:45 PM	#3
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Final season stats for defense Originally Posted by TheOak Someone is gone after this season... WR Colston Meachem Moore Stills Toon Morgan Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone. There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches. The reds go and we pick up new Receivers. Next years top 4 Wideouts will be Colston, Stills, Morgan and Toon.
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12-30-2013, 05:31 PM	#4
whybag 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Final season stats for defense Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 Next years top 4 Wideouts will be Colston, Stills, Morgan and Toon. Toon better be sleeping with the ball to cure those brick hands of his.
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12-30-2013, 10:37 AM	#5
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: Final season stats for defense I want Morgan back, he was looking to have a big season. We let Henderson go and we figured Morgan would be ready. But I have faith, that moment he flipped that guy off his back vs TB last year I was sold, loads of potential.

12-30-2013, 10:41 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Final season stats for defense Originally Posted by Schmohams I want Morgan back, he was looking to have a big season. We let Henderson go and we figured Morgan would be ready. But I have faith, that moment he flipped that guy off his back vs TB last year I was sold, loads of potential. Yes but like Ivory he cant stay healthy. You cant make the team from the whirlpool.

12-30-2013, 11:08 AM	#7
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Final season stats for defense Some thoughts on the defense next year since people started that: Secondary: I don't mind Jenkins staying on a cheap deal, but IMO Vaccaro and Bush should be the two starting safeties. Both are multi-dimensional versatile players who can cover, hit hard and tackle well. Jenkins would be a good 3rd guy to have around because he can play all DB positions. Harper is gone. I do think Greer is probably done/gone sadly, but Lewis/White/Robinson is a real good starting point at CB if that is indeed the case. Linebackers: Haralson will be cheap so re-sign him, with Galette and Butler that should make for a good rotation of outside LBs. I really like the Lofton/Hawthorne combo a lot, good players who work well together. Herring/Vilma/Smith all gone. People want to get rid of Lofton, I don't understand that at all. He has some limitations, sure, but he is still a very good player and the brains of the defense. D-line: All of these young guys are locked in. The only guy I can see possibly being gone is Bunkley because it would save about 1.3 million and Hicks could move over to nose tackle with very little drop-off IMO. Bigger roles for Walker/Foster too. At some point Jordan/Hicks are going to get big raises, if we can keep those two guys happy and together this will be a solid d-line for years and years to come. jnormand and K Major like this.
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12-30-2013, 04:49 PM	#8
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Final season stats for defense Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Some thoughts on the defense next year since people started that: Secondary: I don't mind Jenkins staying on a cheap deal, but IMO Vaccaro and Bush should be the two starting safeties. Both are multi-dimensional versatile players who can cover, hit hard and tackle well. Jenkins would be a good 3rd guy to have around because he can play all DB positions. Harper is gone. I do think Greer is probably done/gone sadly, but Lewis/White/Robinson is a real good starting point at CB if that is indeed the case. Linebackers: Haralson will be cheap so re-sign him, with Galette and Butler that should make for a good rotation of outside LBs. I really like the Lofton/Hawthorne combo a lot, good players who work well together. Herring/Vilma/Smith all gone. People want to get rid of Lofton, I don't understand that at all. He has some limitations, sure, but he is still a very good player and the brains of the defense. D-line: All of these young guys are locked in. The only guy I can see possibly being gone is Bunkley because it would save about 1.3 million and Hicks could move over to nose tackle with very little drop-off IMO. Bigger roles for Walker/Foster too. At some point Jordan/Hicks are going to get big raises, if we can keep those two guys happy and together this will be a solid d-line for years and years to come. Jenkins is staying put if no more than because he can play both Safety positions and the slot receiver if needed. For those of you over 34 years old, think of the 1985 Bears and their versatility on defense. That is what Rob Ryan is striving for. Jenkins is far from the problem, lose him and you'll really have problems.
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12-30-2013, 11:41 AM	#9
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: Final season stats for defense When Bunkley got hurt John Jenkins was a bossing it up with tackles for loss and big run stuffs. But now that Bunkley is back I don't even see him, trade Bunkley, save cap space and get younger.

12-30-2013, 11:42 AM	#10
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Final season stats for defense Originally Posted by Schmohams When Bunkley got hurt John Jenkins was a bossing it up with tackles for loss and big run stuffs. But now that Bunkley is back I don't even see him, trade Bunkley, save cap space and get younger. Bunkley has been good in run support this year. He may not be getting TFLs, but he is not letting the RB get very many positive yards.

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