Did Peyton really break Drew's record?
 

Something I saw while watching the game.


So Peyton broke Drew’s yardage record by 1 yard…
But did he really?
Play in question:
1-5-OAK49 1:28 1st Quarter
(No Huddle) P.Manning pass short left to E.Decker pushed ob at OAK 42 for 7 yards (C.Chekwa).

So…
It’s more like…
Peyton had 259 yards vs. Oakland
And 5,470…

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Sorry,
I don't know how to make the pics bigger...

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He really only broke it by one yard..? That's some bullsh*t.

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The difference between the Manning record and the Brees record besides 1 yard.

2013 Denver has 1 Pro-Bowl WR, 1 Pro-Bowl TE, and 2 Alt WR, 1 Alt RB.
2011 Saints had 1 Pro-Bowl TE

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Im not a Manning fan either.

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Hes not gettin much hooplah about it as Brees did but I'd rather a SB over that record anyway.

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Manning is their darling, if they can't suck him or Brady off, what will they do with their time.

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Manning sat after breaking the record,he could have thrown more.
Records are there there to be broken.Drew needs to comeback next year and do it again thats all.

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DO NOT question the almighty P. Manning. You will anger the football Gods.

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I like the fact that passing for more than 5000 yards has occurred 9 total times in NFL history.
........and Brees has 5 of them.

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Happened 8, Drew has 4, and only one of his receiving options has made a Pro Bowl (to my recollection.)

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He could have thrown for way more...

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Peyton deserved to break the record. He had an entire half to keep trying had the refs not blown the call (yet again).

I think the reason the press didn't make more of it is because....

Manning has gone over 5,000 yards once in his much glorified career, but for Brees, it's become his standard now, not breaking 5,000 would be an off season for him.

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I'd rather establish a run game than have Brees hit 5000K again. Brees is going to die if we don't have a good O-line.

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Can we agree to leave the "pro bowl" out of future discussions?

Anything driven by fan votes and finalized by Dieon Sanders should never be respected.

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Could have, Would have… DIDN'T

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Enough Said

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Manning got a record? WTF!
http://www.caricole.com/wp-content/u...08/record-.jpg

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What is interesting...

Brees breaks records and gets called selfish

Manning breaks records and gets called great.

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Records don't mean anything. You could start 500 consecutive games, get a record and could have lost all 500 games. So he broke a record and has been MVP a million times he still has ONE SB trophy, ONE!!

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If they would've overturned the call it would've still only been Brees's record on a technicality anyways, Peyton would've had an entire 2nd half to get it if it was called a run anyways.

How many people on this message board would be saying the same things they're saying if it was Brees in this situation? I'd say not too many. There'd be a whole lot of "He deserved it anyways and it doesn't even matter because he would've gotten it had he not been benched." People are still pretty angry over Drew's MVP snub and I understand that, but there's no need to hold a grudge over the man who clearly deserved this record with his play.

I also really don't understand the "he only has one ring!" argument either, does our very own Elite QB not only have 1 ring as well? In what, only 3 less years than Manning if you count Peyton's injury? Will we be saying the same thing about Brees in 3 years if we don't have another Lombardi trophy in our case?

I really don't understand the "well he has better players!" argument either, I mean I understand Welker (which was just a great signing by Elway anyways) but Thomas was just an extremely raw player with untapped potential when Peyton arrived, Decker was some mid round player who was coming off a good year but was never a "pro bowl" type player until you know who showed up(admittedly I really liked him coming out of Minnesota and would've loved it if he was drafted by the Saints). Who the hell was Julius Thomas before this year? And was Moreno not considered a bust before Peyton opened up some running lanes for him?

Point being, if you run good routes and can catch floaters right to your chest you're going to be a good receiver with Manning. I mean, who the hell is Blair White? Austin Collie? What ever happened to that guy?(concussions, but still). Stokley's career year when he had 10 TDs(what??) and 1000 yards was with Peyton. Sure he's had Wayne, Clark, and Harrison , but that doesn't take away from the fact that Peyton is the smartest QB to ever play the game and did nothing but help those players become what the're known for today.

Brees is a HOF QB and there's maybe only 2 other QB's I'd start a team with and that's Manning and maybe Brady(Belichick no doubt groomed this lanky 6th round 3rd string QB into a HOFer he is known as today). But I'm not going to sit here and hold a grudge and make excuses as to why he's the only player to throw for 55 TDs, 5477 yards and the other dozen records he's broken.

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That's all beside the point. The FACT is he didn't break it. It's not about who held the record it's about historical accuracy. If the NFL doesn't correct this it means the records are a joke. You can just make up BS so the guy you want can hold whatever record they want him to. This is just one more blemish on the already tarnished shield. MLB has it's drug scandal and the NFL has Rodger Goodell.

Allowing Manning to hold record when everybody knows he didn't set is a disgrace.

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He broke it, watch the top-side view; the Manning hating is a bunch of BS...

And if we really want to get into what qualifies a Saints fan - it should be love for ALL the Mannings for what they've given and done for the Gulf South Community and the fact they're New Orleans bred!

And Bill Kuharich and Mike Ditka, where ever you are...

F*** You, You F***ING 'TARDS!

If you were going to tank the franchise, you could have at least made sure we had the top pick in the draft to get Manning!

There, Irrational Closet Rant Complete, Thank You for Coping - LOL:argue:

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Just because I don't think he should be given a record he didn't accomplish doesn't make me a hater. I have nothing against Manning.

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That's all a matter of opinion, I personally think that he would've had a whole half to get the record if the refs didn't call it a pass on the field and if they overturned the 7 yard pass to a run I would've had to put an asterisk next to his record because it would only still be Brees's on a technicality. You're free to have you're own opinion about it, that's just how I feel.

And I didn't say everyone had something against manning, but obviously there are some people that do hold that grudge and will use it against him until the day he retires.

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You live in a world where only good "ifs" happen.

If it didn't happen, it didn't happen.

By your logic Graham should have the TE TD record. "If " Drew had thrown it to him two more times in the endzone instead of running the click out he would have has it.

If my aunt had ballz she would be my uncle. But she doesn't and I'm glad for it... Uncles Kneel and Bob wouldn't go over well for Christmas.

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If you look at where the ball was when it was thrown and where it was when it was caught, it is obviously not a forward pass.

But since Peyton is the new Golden Child, the league won't correct it.

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I don't mind them taking the throw back one bit, from what I saw it wasn't a forward pass. But that's not going to change the fact for me(which is why it's an opinion) that Peyton deserved the record and there would be an asterisk by his yards.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I just think a refs **** up being the only reason Peyton didn't get the record kind of sucks.

Even then, I've only seen one angle where it didn't look like a forward pass, maybe the reviewers had a much better angle, I'm not sure. Someone previously stated at another angle it was a forward pass, so I'd also like to see that angle if anyone has a link.

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I meant "I've only seen one angle where it wasn't a forward pass" fixing now.

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I suspect that you and I are polar opposites on more than just passing records. You are emotionally invested in a record that is not subjective, this is not an opinion based subject. It is based purely on empirical data.

He either threw legal passes for more yards or he didn't. Absolutely nothing else matters. If it is ruled that the pass was not a legal pass then he didn't and the opinions of you and I are moot.

Now there is a subjective aspect to this and Payton Manning coming out if the game with just one yard above Drew's record tells me two things.

1. He is an idiot. He let the referees decide.


2. He agrees that no one knows what would have happened on the next play. Manning him self chose not to take the risk of one more pass.

Records are risk/reward. You don't break them and hold them playing safe football.

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The only thing that gets me about it all is where are all the whiners complaining about how Manning padded his stats? Thats all we heard when Drew broke the record. Its fine when their boy does it but no Saint's player should have a gaudy record like that so we, the media and other fans, have to diminish it.

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It may be hard to accuse him of padding his stats when he sat out the second half of the game. If he had padded his stats some, this lateral wouldn't be an issue.