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Hello from Philadelphia. Looking forward to the match-up Saturday, should be a hell of a game if both teams show up ready to play (I don't really buy into the whole Brees can't play out of the dome thing).
Had a few questions for you guys about some of the key match-ups of the game. 1) How has your front 7 been playing this year? A lot of the Eagle's success this year has come from our OL play (Peters selected to the probowl and Mathis/Kelce probably should have been as well, often making blocks 5-10 yards down the field). However when that protection has fallen apart we get exposed. Foles usually elects to throw the ball away if he feels pressure, and McCoy's much less effective if teams contain him inside. 2) Has any team really been effective in slowing Jimmy Graham down this year? And if so how did they do it? Eagles defense has been a work in progress. Our pass rush has been solid recently, which has prevented teams from going deep and exposing our awful safety situation. However the quick release passes have killed us, and I can see Graham/Brees taking full advantage of that. LB Kendricks and slot CB Boykin have been rising stars for us, but still Graham is in a league of his own. I'd love to answer questions from any of you as well. Just trying to get some perspective from the other side. Cheers. |
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1. Our defensive front 7 are solid... Look up sack stats and you will find Jordan and Gallette are ranked 5th and 6th in the league.
2013 NFL Player Defense Stats - National Football League - ESPN 2. The Patriots did it with Talib... Do you have one? :-) Jimmy had some lessor producing games this season other than that but a lot of the reason was Drew having an off day, Graham dropping passes, or him getting double or triple teamed. When the DT or TT happened Colston had some great games. Welcome to Blackandgold.com |
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In terms of our front 7, our pass rush has been incredible compared to other seasons, we have nearly doubled last year sacks Cameron Jordan is still very underrated, plays the run great and has notched 12.5 sacks on top of that aswell, only in his 3rd season aswell Junior Galette our pass rushing OLB is relentless, teams make a big mistake constantly putting a TE in to block him, his spin move makes you think of a young dwight freeney Our run defense isnt amazing but its not a massive liability, however arent the eagles number 1 in rushing offense? We lost a bit of versatility in losing kenny vaccaro, but we have alot of depth in our secondary. Keenan lewis is a stud, eagles offense has alot of weapons though just like ours Should be a very good game |
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Ha no we do not have a Talib. Our CBs have been...hit-or-miss. They have done a very solid job on some premiere WRs (see Dez, Fitzgerald, the Bears duo), then other times they get picked on. TEs on the other hand have shown they can beat us (Witten carved us up last game) with Kendricks, Boykin, and even Barwin/Cole mixing up coverages.
Talib is a pretty physical CB so maybe the key is getting in his face at the line to throw him off. Cary Williams has actually been pretty solid at that, but still to play up that close requires a lot of confidence in the safeties to back you up and Chung/Allen are possibly the worst safety duo in the league. Should be interesting |
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Damn well I knew Ryan had helped turn around the defense, but I didn't know the DL was doing that well. That very well could be the match-up of the game. Stop McCoy enough and we'll look to Foles. As I said Foles is cautious with the ball, he'll take a sack/throw it away if you get in his face rather than try to force something (hence the 27:2 TD:INT ratio) |
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Mathis should have absolutely been in the ProBowl; he IS your best overall offensive lineman; very few can move downhill like he does for Shady...
Though he had an auspicious start to the season, ya'll finally found a complimentary receiver in Reilly opposite DJacks... I like our chances against your pass rush; it's like ours has been until this year; feast against the poorer teams on OL, famine against the good OL teams; media will try to put alot of pressure on rookie Armstead to rattle him - good, I think it'll toughen him up and make him better... Ya'll are going to try to expose our safeties with DJacks and the Tight Ends; our job will be to get to Foles quickly and not allow that to develop... John Jenkins is another rookie we're expecting (pardon pun) big things from in the middle... |
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Our first 7 has been frankly, stellar. Our pass D is a liability espacially deep. Count on D jackson taking one to the house if foles has time.
As far as graham goes, he is a monster. NE was the only team to really take him out of the game. I dont see the eagles having that capability. If drew can get some protection I think he can expose the eagles secondary. First one to 30 wins IMO. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk |
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With Greer and Vaccaro out id say its a liability against and explosive deep threat like d jackson. I guess I shouldve clarified....in this matchup I think its a liability.
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Welcome.
1) The problem with the Saints' defense on the road is that the Drew Brees has thrown a bunch of interceptions inside the Saints' 30, giving very short fields for the opposing team. This happens most often at the beginning of the game, when putting the team at the peak of disadvantage can be achieved. More often than not, it is not a result of pressure, just profoundly bad decisionmaking. As long as your front 7 are alert, Brees is good for 1-2 gimme's a game. Better not to pressure him, because that's when teams get torched. 2) As big and as strong as Graham is, he doesn't like to be touched, hence his disappearance vs. physical defenders. He can't seem to get separation, or maybe the schemes don't factor the physicality into the route running. Whatever, just bump him, or any Saints' receiver for that matter, and you disrupt Brees' timing to them. |
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Saints #5 Offense and #4 rated defense. We've played the 8th hardest schedule in the league based on end of season records (Eagles 28th) I'd be worried if I were an Eagles fan.
NFL Ratings Page Scroll down page. The Rams played the hardest schedule. |
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2) the Patriots game sticks out as a particular mare for Jimmy Graham. A key could be who the zebras are on the day. The Eagles should test their mettle when the Saints are deep on in their own half. If the zebras seems lenient then lean all over Graham.
Other. If the weather is poor, the Eagles could try the route of attrition with the punting team. We are not all that; our punt returns are non-existent. |
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Welcome, also looking forward to this game. Should be a good one unless it turns into a snow bowl again up there, or Drew throws several INTs.
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run defense is our strong point so i look forward to a slug fest there.
short and intermediate pass defense is a weak spot especially if the saint play out of control, then it maybe a long night. |
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Looking forward to this match up. Who DAt! I really don't know much about your team this year, so I'm doing a little research on them now.
I like our D this year, and hate to say I'm down on our O. Our line just sucks and they do try, but just cant get it together. So .........who knows |
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The thing is if you take away Graham (Which is not impossible) Sproles, Colston, and Thomas will come to haunt you
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Welcome and good luck to you and your team Saturday. As I am sure you will hear from every media talking head our opponent this week is the fact that it's a road game even more so than it's a quality opponent in the Eagles. Your team definitely has a lot to respect in a dangerous and elusive run game, a QB who doesn't make many mistakes, a WR mismatch to our secondary, a TE mismatch to our LBers and a solid o-line. Your defense has man playmakers and is probably better than the yards or points they have given up over the season.
Our lack of dedication to our run game is a concern for me. Payton seems intent on forcing the pass. As a result we need a sharp day from Brees, Colston, Graham and the rest of the weapons. Protection is concerning as well. Defensively I am less concerned. Our front seven is stout and can put heat on. Once or twice a game we have issues with gap or edge responsibility. Our secondary is the same. Will be solid and challenge for 99% of the game and blow a coverage or two and/or allow a mismatch to occur because of blitz scheme. To come away victorious we need to start very strong and get an early lead. Our run game needs to hold you accountable and not allow your back 7 to cheat the pass. We will definitely need to win or tie the turnover ratio and not waste our red zone opportunities without getting points to overcome a tough team and a definite home field advantage. |
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Hey, Iggles fan! Welcome. I live in Lansdale boss and grew up in S. Jerz. Very familiar with the Eagles and their fans. I am an Eagles hater, lol.
I think you guys present a pretty good challenge for us. Your defense on the backend does not worry me. If we can give Drew time (a major problem for us on the road this year) I think this game will be interesting. I do not think the Eagles have a defensive line as good as the Rams, Seahawks, or Panties, but you guys have a solid rush. My personal feeling on the biggest difference for you from last year is your offensive line. They have been really good. Foles, Foles is not a great QB in the sense that he has a massively strong arm. He doesn't, but he is very poised and doesn't make a ton of mistakes. I think you have found a good one. What worries me most about this game, being on the road, in the cold, not having Greer or Vaccaro, and our lack of protecting Drew on the road. Outside of Talib (and his foot injury), and our OLIne, no one has stopped JG. What determines this game to me is whether or not we protect Drew. If we protect Drew I think we can get the win. |
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Also welcome, I think for us defensively--we have to somehow contain shady, not necessarily stop him, he's way too good for that, but slow him by containing the edges. Our ends over commit frequently, we need to stay home; and we have to hit him every time he doesn't touch the ball. EVERY time, this primarily keeps the timing of the screen game in check (at least to a certain degree). I thought Dallas did a good job on the corners/edge and although Shady had a good game, at least Dallas had a chance at the end. D Jax also scares me and Celek could have a big day. For you, your gonna need to make every offensive play a struggle, if we get into a smooth tempo you are in trouble. If you blitz us, you better make the play, or Drew will torch you. As far as Jimmy, like others have said, it seems he's not into the physical aspect of the game (contact).
Best of luck to you sir. |
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I just hope its a well called game.
We've all seen way too many games decided by a blown call, some very blatantly blown. The Saints have been victims of at least two blown calls that cost us W's, and if you count that absurd personal foul call against Strief in the @Carolina game, 3 games. |
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some thing tells me we all will be screaming at the refs, saints and eagles fan alike. i just hope it is not over a call that determines the game
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I want give anything to our enemy on Saturday, but I do look forward to playing you. All these Saints fans giving our ememy info, well thats treason.
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Our DLine is awesome. Hicks, Jordan and John Jenkins are all Pro-Bowl caliber and Bunkley, Walker and Foster could easily start for many teams.
Our LBs are all solid and Junior is a star on the rise. Until our backfield got decimated by injury it was also very strong. Thanks to great depth we still have a decent group but it is the way to go if you're looking for a weak link. If you want to stop Graham all you have to do is do what the Pats did. Put your strongest DB on him and and mug him all day and hope the refs never make a single call on it all day. Otherwise get a strong rush up the middle and force Brees into errors. |
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I clicked on this expecting a trollfest but I was pleasantly surprised.
I think if the Saints win this game it will be because of our pass rush. Contrary to popular opinion we don't blitz much, we really get pressure with four guys - Cam Jordan, Junior Galette, Akiem Hicks and a couple of rotational guys subbing in for Bunkley at the nose on passing downs. Technically Galette is a linebacker but he is really just a speed rushing DE. Hicks and Jordan are big power bull-rush types and do most of their damage inside. Our secondary is vulnerable with Greer and Vaccaro both out for the season. Keenan Lewis is the #1 corner and I expect he'll be the guy on Jackson most of the day. I think the #2 corner Corey White matches up well on guys like Riley Cooper and Jason Avant. But Harper and Jenkins on the back end will give up plays over the top. I am also a lot worried about McCoy, we have struggled against elite running backs and some of our young DL and LBs have struggled with gap discipline at times. No smack talk here, I think this will be a good game but I am afraid we are going to lose and have to hear for months about how weak the Saints are because they can't win on the road. I hope I'm wrong for our sake but I'm prepared for the worst. |
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I think if both teams play to their potential then is should be a good, close and entertaining game! . . My main concerns are the weather, dome teams always seem to struggle in bad weather conditions.
But also, as has already been mentioned, if the Refs get things wrong, or throw flags for everything and don't let the players play, (for both teams that is), then that could ruin what should be a good game! GEAUX SAINTS!!!!! |
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the saints for the most part have also limited RB from making key first downs. which is huge. like i said thats why they are elite. now to totally shut down a elite running game, well we are not there yet and i agree with your reason why now as you pointed out the saints really are their own worse enemy. Seattle and New England proved that over aggressive play is a sore spot for the saints. :argue:i love attacking but with reckless abandon is a game killer. :argue: Philli thrives on miss direction and going back against the grain of the defense. we must play under control especially at the LB and safety positions or this will be a long night. oh yeah we MUST seal the edges in this game and that falls on DL and our smallish OLBs. The OLBs need to play bigger than they are. i think this will be the area of the run defense the Eagles like every other team in the past three years have attacked. this should be a fun chess match to watch :bng: |
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The Eagles biggest or smallest issue depends on what is virtually unpredictable. If our Rams squad shows up you'll be watching your team again next weekend. If our Cowboys squad shows up you should probably be able to catch some good A&E documentaries on Sat after the 1/2. |
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And you can usually tell after 2 or 3 series which one it will be. |
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