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Halo 01-07-2014 01:02 PM

Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
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Below is some copy from Ken Trahan's article on SportsNola.com regarding the Saints vs. Seahawks playoff match-up this weekend. His analysis is brutally honest about the first match up between the two teams, but ends with an important question - have the Seahawks peaked already?

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Seattle had a bye week heading into the first meeting and it clearly benefited the Seahawks in preparation, execution and health. Since the win over the Saints, the Seattle offense has slowed a bit, averaging just 19.25 points over its last four games.

In those games, Wilson completed just 59-of-102 passes (57.8%) for 685 yards (171.25 avg.) with just four touchdowns and three interceptions. Wilson was sacked 14 times in those four games.

The question is obvious. Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints? Since then, they are 2-2. In losses to the Cardinals (17-10) and 49ers (19-17), the Seahawks defense allowed 139 yards rushing and 163 yards rushing, respectively. That is the panacea for the Saints. They must run the ball effectively to keep the pass rush off of Brees, control the football and keep the ball away from the Seattle offense.
Finally some stats:
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For what it is worth, No. 1 seeds are 7-9 in the divisional round over the last eight seasons. Additionally, over the past 10 years, the sixth-seed has beaten the top-seed five of eight times when they have met.
Read the entire brutal early analysis at SportsNola.com

NonieT 01-07-2014 01:18 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
I sure hope so!

Beastmode 01-07-2014 01:22 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
They will be rested and ready. 2nd season just starting. Turnovers. That's why they rolled us. Stop that and we can beat them.

Halo 01-07-2014 01:29 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 570159)
They will be rested and ready. 2nd season just starting. Turnovers. That's why they rolled us. Stop that and we can beat them.

Couldn't have said it better. Get off to a fast start and stop the turnovers. The rest will take care of itself. Just cannot go up there and have a slow start. We have started faster the past 2 games and let's hope we see a pattern.

cmsaint 01-07-2014 01:32 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
Good stats in there. No 1 seeds are only 7-9 in div rounds the last 8 years. It also seems as though Seattle has cooled off a bit since beating us.

Danno 01-07-2014 01:49 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 570159)
They will be rested and ready. 2nd season just starting. Turnovers. That's why they rolled us. Stop that and we can beat them.

Not so much turnovers in that one as an amazing number of 3 and outs. We only had one giveaway, but it set the tone early and we never recovered.

10 possessions

6 - 3 & outs
2 - Failed 4th down conversions

NOLA54 01-07-2014 01:50 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
We will play much better this time. I don't expect a lopsided game. They will be more focused.

Mardigras9 01-07-2014 02:07 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
They will be coming off a bye again this time. They did play a near perfect game against us last time, and we made way too many mistakes.
They too are playing for a chance at the NFCCG, and they want it as bad as we do.
It should be good one.

halloween 65 01-07-2014 02:10 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
If we are just now starting to peak they are the one's that are in trouble!!

saintfan 01-07-2014 02:20 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
I just can't help but think they're looking past us to some degree. It's human nature. That, plus all the media hate offering an endless amount of motivation for Sean and Drew and the rest of the Saints -

Seattle is going to be tough, but anyone looking for the same result as last time isn't playing attention. That's what I think.

QBREES9 01-07-2014 02:22 PM

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Hope so.

Halo 01-07-2014 03:10 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
Saints must start fast and score as early as possible.
If you look at the Seattle/Saints game (if you can stomach it) we scored in the 2nd quarter and their defense started emotionally falling apart - looking at each other and complaining. Fired up or no, their team plays on emotion and without that emotion they can go flat.

Score first or early, get a lead and take their fans out of the game and quiet them. If they do that then it can definitely be a dog fight against one heck of a team. If we come in and start super slow like we did in the first matchup, then everyone can eat Gumbo and get drunk and talk about the draft coming up in a few months.

We MUST start fast, score and take their fans, the stadium and fans out of the equation if we want a chance to win mono y mono.

foreverfan 01-07-2014 03:49 PM

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So... we're a lock.

SmashMouth 01-07-2014 04:06 PM

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Awesome.... Forty Burger coming up!

dueceloose 01-07-2014 04:32 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
I don't see us starting fast.. we normally go thru a feeling out process but I'm all for it.

1) Drew must play better and not hold the ball as long as he did last game. Whether he has to check down or run like Wilson (if given time and space) + that will make them second guess drew.

2) Win the turnover battle and cut down penalty's. I know we had alot of holding penalty's that game and we had some drive killing turnovers/penalties vs eagles. They have to earn the win we can't give it to them.

3) Hopefully we call good plays. Cant go 3 and out so much.. And throw away the earplugs definitely didn't help any.

I'm hoping we walk out of there with a win. Who dat!

Seahawks12th 01-07-2014 06:09 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
Per Pete Presser today Percy Harvin will most likely play. From a Seahawks fans perspective:

What happened if the Saints Win:
Got Heavy Prassure from front four and didn't need to bring a heavy dose of blitz. I though Ryan might blitz more but with secondary concerns, I don't think he will.

Running game getting 3.5 yards per carry mixed in with a healthy dose of play action pass. Drew has shown he can dink and dunk all the way to the end zone with the occasional fly pattern to keep the defense honest. I highly doubt Breeze with throw it much at Sherman and will target Thurmond and Maxwell more. No interceptions period.

Seahawks Victory:
Make the Saints play in space. Use Harvin to minimize pressure in the box and allow receivers to operate. This would put the Saints in a pick your poison, Lynch or wide outs.

Stop the Run make Breeze one dimensional without putting eight in a box. I have a feeling the Hawks will stuff the box and see if Breeze can throw or not. If the Hawks can pin their ears back they will make Drew's life miserable.

That's how I see this game...

Choupique 01-07-2014 06:10 PM

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yes

Saint_LB 01-07-2014 06:14 PM

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Here's what I posted on 12-2-2013...

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The Saints are gonna be in the playoffs. What happens then is anybody's guess. Anybody can get hot. They didn't make that phrase, "any given Sunday" on a whim.

With that being said, they have a hard time in Seattle, but if/when that game is played, they will begin the game at 0-0.

WhoDat!656 01-07-2014 06:27 PM

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IMO, the pressure is all on their side of the ball.

Everyone expects them to win and for the Saints to lose.

Exxcalibur 01-07-2014 07:23 PM

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Its only our injuries that worry me.

ClintSaints 01-07-2014 07:38 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
Remember this from the 2010 NFL season:

Patriots defeat Jets on Dec. 6 by a score of 45-3.
Divisional playoff: Jets defeat Patriots on Jan. 16, 2011 by a score of 28-21, shocking the number one seed.

Just sayin'. :)

WHODATINCA 01-07-2014 10:55 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 570166)
Not so much turnovers in that one as an amazing number of 3 and outs. We only had one giveaway, but it set the tone early and we never recovered.

10 possessions

6 - 3 & outs
2 - Failed 4th down conversions

That is because their D is excellent. Our O-line and our D will have to play like it is for their lives.

WHODATINCA 01-07-2014 11:05 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 570229)
Saints must start fast and score as early as possible.
If you look at the Seattle/Saints game (if you can stomach it) we scored in the 2nd quarter and their defense started emotionally falling apart - looking at each other and complaining. Fired up or no, their team plays on emotion and without that emotion they can go flat.

Score first or early, get a lead and take their fans out of the game and quiet them. If they do that then it can definitely be a dog fight against one heck of a team. If we come in and start super slow like we did in the first matchup, then everyone can eat Gumbo and get drunk and talk about the draft coming up in a few months.

We MUST start fast, score and take their fans, the stadium and fans out of the equation if we want a chance to win mono y mono.

That is possibly one way. The other is how Arizona did it. They kept SEA out of the end zone. Both Ds did. It was 3-3 till the 3rd or 4th quarter. Seattle would move up and down the field -- but the Cards D wouldn't let them in. They made 2 or 3 goal line stands. It was demoralizing. Then, their D got tired. That's when the Cards woke up, recovered from Carson Palmer's 4 INTs and started scoring. SEA answered -- but -- a bad interception call went against SEA and the Cards won. They might have won anyway -- but a couple of questionable but favorable calls went ARI's way in the 4th quarter.

The good news is SEA will beat themselves with penalties. I'm glad Drew is getting some practice arguing for calls.

whodis 01-08-2014 07:17 AM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
I think we are kidding ourselves if we give any credence to this article. It was written by a local with high hopes like the rest. I don't think we realize how good this seahawks team is at home. Yeah they lost to the cardinals, one loss in 16 at home in two years. And that loss is the one they had to get out of the way.

st thomas 01-08-2014 09:22 AM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
I hope its the sophomore jinks just setting in on Wilson, he surely never went through it yet ,so start throwing some pics dude,

st thomas 01-08-2014 10:27 AM

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I really think the hawks wont match the night they humiliated us up there. they were all pumped to break sound barrier and all that bullshyt .their going to get it i'm tellin u their going to eat green turdd wings. yall remember when we were all pumped about undefeated and going for 14 when dallas busted our bubble. seattle will get same taste in there mouth. there so dammed arrogant about winning super bowl, wait thy didn't win shyt yet.

TheOak 01-08-2014 10:34 AM

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I am of the opinion we take the first drive and don't force anything. We take what is given on each and every play and march slowly down the field.

Don't go long unless a receiver is clearly alone and in position to catch uncontested.

Don't try and force a run when they are giving up 5 yard passes.

Don't force 5 yard passes when they are giving us running lanes.

Don't phuch up trying to be brave.

Finally.. Don't throw the GAWDDAMNED ball to any receiver that is not PAST THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, or PAST THE 1st DOWN MARKER. It chaps my arse when we lose yardage on a frikken pass, or throw it to a receiver on 3rd down and he is 4 yards inside of a 1st down. Receivers need to know where the sticks are.:bng:

brees84 01-08-2014 10:39 AM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
Our receivers have to play much better. Play physical football, don't let them push you around, create separation, fight to the end. Step up Jimmy. No alligator hands. Drew will be fine. We win 27:23!

WHODATINCA 01-08-2014 02:34 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 570527)
I am of the opinion we take the first drive and don't force anything. We take what is given on each and every play and march slowly down the field.

Don't go long unless a receiver is clearly alone and in position to catch uncontested.

Don't try and force a run when they are giving up 5 yard passes.

Don't force 5 yard passes when they are giving us running lanes.

Don't phuch up trying to be brave.

Finally.. Don't throw the GAWDDAMNED ball to any receiver that is not PAST THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, or PAST THE 1st DOWN MARKER. It chaps my arse when we lose yardage on a frikken pass, or throw it to a receiver on 3rd down and he is 4 yards inside of a 1st down. Receivers need to know where the sticks are.:bng:


Total agreement. Take what they give -- wear them down. Don't let them in the end zone. Run the freakin' ball. Play action RUN ( don't know the technical name if there is one :-)).

Oak, the last paragraph: +3. I heard that.

Mardigras9 01-08-2014 02:41 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
I agree, don't let Drew go long until they see how his ball is flying that day. He has been underthrowing terribly outside in the first half recently.

Rugby Saint II 01-09-2014 02:19 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 570612)
I agree, don't let Drew go long until they see how his ball is flying that day. He has been underthrowing terribly outside in the first half recently.

It's going to be windy and rainy. Run the ball and give Drew an opportunity to warm up on short passes.

TheOak 01-09-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 570953)
It's going to be windy and rainy. Run the ball and give Drew an opportunity to warm up on short passes.

The not fit for long passing weather is what bothers me. Play calling is a game of chess. When the weather isn't fit for a long pass what is the defense least likely to expect? Watch Drew throw long off the bat.


:brood:

Rocket Hawk 01-09-2014 03:00 PM

Re: Did the Seahawks peak against the Saints?
 
The Seahawks will take the long 1 on 1 passes in the rain. Wilson will try and throw the back shoulder fade or go over the top. They will always do this between the 30s. The last 3 games the Hawks had basically 2 kinds of pass plays, 1 on 1 shots, and play action to TEs on the seam. Obviously, there is the outlet to Lynch and bubble screens to WRs, but those are almost like runs.

Seattle does this low-risk high-reward type of passing game. Because of that they end up punting a lot. Fans wish they would add some wrinkles, like a slant, or cross or something. It is shocking to see them throw underneath.

Seattle receivers aren't that special. How do you Saints fans think your corners will hold up in the play action game against Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin, and sometimes Jermaine Kearse? None of them are household names, but they are play makers. If the Saints blitz like last time, it is likely that Wilson will just chuck up the teardrop and hope his receiver can run under it, you remember the last time. Can the Saint corners hold their own?


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