Solutions for 2014

Saintaintso · 01-12-2014, 01:13 AM

1. Restructure Brees Contract ... 70M is enough for someone who can't produce when it matters. We're not the cowboys we don't reward mediocrity.

2.Resign Soft and Over-rated. He did nothing when it mattered either. Although good He shouldn't expect a max Contract.

3. Release : Will Smith , Jonathan Vilma ( hurts ) , Malcolm Jenkins , Roman Harper , Robert Meachem , Charles Brown , Zach Strief ( I know what I've seen is enough ) , and DLP. ( Holding up blocking isn't good enough in Seattle or San Fran and Now Carolina. Add some Lovie Smith in that , Falcons Pick up Clowney , yeah this need be addressed )

4. 2 Running Backs Need To Go ... Neither named Ingram or Robinson ( Imagine Saying that Last Year ) Sproles can Stay , if he's odd man out we will address this in the draft.

5. With new cap space , Sign Alex Mack Pro Bowl Center Browns. Versatile Safety Ryan Clark Pittsburgh. definitely Resign Bush. Offer Darius Heyward Bey WR . Sign LB Jon Beason to a 1 yr deal.

6. Draft : Kelvin Benjamin FSU (wr) , If Sproles goes , D Thomas RB Oregon 3drb 2nd round.

Perhaps a new OC ... Our hurry up offense caused delay of game penalties ... Why would we give defense time to adjust catch their breath and get settled ? That's like letting Tyson cock back !! Sign Mark Helfriech , if foles can shine in that offense wonder what Brees could do !!!

WhoDat!656 · 01-12-2014, 01:27 AM

I agree with most.

Why do you want to get rid of PT? After Brees he is arguably the most important offensive player we have.

Graham won't get a huge contract, or he shouldn't based on his play the latter part of the regular season & playoffs.

Instead of replacing OC, relieve SP of calling plays; Carmichael did well while SP was suspended.

mikesaintfan · 01-12-2014, 01:57 AM

What is wrong with the offense? Is it all on the line? Seems like we have no deep threat... I like stills but the deep home run ball seems to be missing... and the short passing gets broken up all the time

WW_Who_Dat · 01-12-2014, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

What is wrong with the offense? Is it all on the line? Seems like we have no deep threat... I like stills but the deep home run ball seems to be missing... and the short passing gets broken up all the time

Some of the lack of Long Ball success is with pass protection but tell me when is the last time you saw Brees hit a streaking wide receiver or anyone in stride downfield with the ball in front of them and the receiver not having to work back to the ball thru the defender.

hitta · 01-12-2014, 05:52 AM

1. Most important change is getting a WR that can open up the field, command double coverages, etc. This would make Graham and the rest of the receiving core get better separation.

2. Second most important change is to upgrade DLP and maybe Strief.

3. Need to harden up our run defense. Also add some playmaker/turnover potential.

I think for the most part this team is moving in the right direction. Fans need to keep their chins up, the future is very bright. Think we are a few key pieces away from being the team to beat. This off-season will be one of the most important ones that we've had.

ScottF · 01-12-2014, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

1. Most important change is getting a WR that can open up the field, command double coverages, etc. This would make Graham and the rest of the receiving core get better separation.

2. Second most important change is to upgrade DLP and maybe Strief.

3. Need to harden up our run defense. Also add some playmaker/turnover potential.

Agreed- we have not had a big play game changer on either side since Bush and Sharper.
We really do not have ANYONE that is one touch and gone.

I know everyone points to upgrading DB as a glaring need, but I completely disagree. Look at the results we got with the personnel we had, and then look at our IR. We played 3 safeties in nickel coverage this year. Imagine C Rob or White instead.

My fix: get the best O-linemen available, either a C or T. DLP's time has come, and Armstead was passable, better than Brown. However, if we can upgrade either position and give Drew an extra half second to get through his reads, we can get back to where we were.

nycsaintfan · 01-12-2014, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

A legitimate physical TE is needed for sure. Graham is a legitimate red zone stud and is probably best suited to play the roll of a number 3 WR. Noticed the running game did not even start to get going this season until Ben Watson was playing more. As much as I love Graham, he is a complete blocking liability and also does not do much of anything when he gets physical coverage on the line.

Some depth at OL, maybe Charles Brown can push for the RT job???

Matthew, I agree with the need to acquire a physical blocking tight end. But I think our depth at tight end is good enough. With all the financial issues we have, I doubt that we will see major moves at this position.

Also, if Payton did not move Brown over to the RT when he inserted Armstead into the starting lineup, I think Brown's time is over on this team.

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

1. Restructure Brees Contract ... 70M is enough for someone who can't produce when it matters. We're not the cowboys we don't reward mediocrity.

3. Release : Will Smith , Jonathan Vilma ( hurts ) , Malcolm Jenkins , Roman Harper , Robert Meachem , Charles Brown , Zach Strief ( I know what I've seen is enough ) , and DLP. ( Holding up blocking isn't good enough in Seattle or San Fran and Now Carolina. Add some Lovie Smith in that , Falcons Pick up Clowney , yeah this need be addressed )

4. 2 Running Backs Need To Go ... Neither named Ingram or Robinson ( Imagine Saying that Last Year ) Sproles can Stay , if he's odd man out we will address this in the draft.

5. With new cap space , Sign Alex Mack Pro Bowl Center Browns. Versatile Safety Ryan Clark Pittsburgh. definitely Resign Bush. Offer Darius Heyward Bey WR . Sign LB Jon Beason to a 1 yr deal.

6. Draft : D Thomas RB Oregon 3drb 2nd round.

Perhaps a new OC ...

I think Brees will restructure his deal. Remember, I think it does affect the cap in future seasons.

I think they will resign Jenkins, but most or all of your list of players I do think will go.

I don't know how Darius Heyward Bey makes our receiving core any better. Beason I believe plays inside, so I'm not sure where he fits into the defensive picture.

I like D'Anthony Thomas, but I worry if he will be one of those guys at the next level who is always questionable every week... then again in this sport who is not questionable.

I'm okay with Payton continuing to call plays. I don't think it was his best season, and there are major changes coming offensively with this team. We could do worse.

Originally Posted by hitta

1. Most important change is getting a WR that can open up the field, command double coverages, etc. This would make Graham and the rest of the receiving core get better separation.

I've been saying this for weeks now. Our receivers just don't get separation down field anymore. Plus, I think a lot of the vets who play major roles on the receiving core are getting a little long in the tooth. I think Stills is going to be solid moving forward. I'm not sure about Morgan (need to see how he comes back from injury), and Toon.

There are still financial issues that face this organization, but Loomis has figured out how to bring in quality talent under a tight squeeze on the cap. Lets see what happens this off-season.

LBCutta · 01-12-2014, 06:16 AM

Also like it or not Brees' arm strength is not what it was. I think that has something to do with the deep ball threat lacking.

UK_WhoDat · 01-12-2014, 06:31 AM

A more physical offense.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2014, 08:35 AM

8 points from NFCCG and you want to blow up the team? I don't think so...

Attrition aside, there will be tweaks on both sides of the ball.

Sean gave Rob some new toys last year, this year it's his turn.

01-12-2014, 01:13 AM	#1
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Solutions for 2014 1. Restructure Brees Contract ... 70M is enough for someone who can't produce when it matters. We're not the cowboys we don't reward mediocrity. 2.Resign Soft and Over-rated. He did nothing when it mattered either. Although good He shouldn't expect a max Contract. 3. Release : Will Smith , Jonathan Vilma ( hurts ) , Malcolm Jenkins , Roman Harper , Robert Meachem , Charles Brown , Zach Strief ( I know what I've seen is enough ) , and DLP. ( Holding up blocking isn't good enough in Seattle or San Fran and Now Carolina. Add some Lovie Smith in that , Falcons Pick up Clowney , yeah this need be addressed ) 4. 2 Running Backs Need To Go ... Neither named Ingram or Robinson ( Imagine Saying that Last Year ) Sproles can Stay , if he's odd man out we will address this in the draft. 5. With new cap space , Sign Alex Mack Pro Bowl Center Browns. Versatile Safety Ryan Clark Pittsburgh. definitely Resign Bush. Offer Darius Heyward Bey WR . Sign LB Jon Beason to a 1 yr deal. 6. Draft : Kelvin Benjamin FSU (wr) , If Sproles goes , D Thomas RB Oregon 3drb 2nd round. Perhaps a new OC ... Our hurry up offense caused delay of game penalties ... Why would we give defense time to adjust catch their breath and get settled ? That's like letting Tyson cock back !! Sign Mark Helfriech , if foles can shine in that offense wonder what Brees could do !!! Rell&Gold likes this.
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01-12-2014, 01:27 AM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: Solutions for 2014 I agree with most. Why do you want to get rid of PT? After Brees he is arguably the most important offensive player we have. Graham won't get a huge contract, or he shouldn't based on his play the latter part of the regular season & playoffs. Instead of replacing OC, relieve SP of calling plays; Carmichael did well while SP was suspended.

01-12-2014, 01:57 AM	#3
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: Solutions for 2014 What is wrong with the offense? Is it all on the line? Seems like we have no deep threat... I like stills but the deep home run ball seems to be missing... and the short passing gets broken up all the time

01-12-2014, 05:31 AM	#4
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,275 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Solutions for 2014 Originally Posted by mikesaintfan What is wrong with the offense? Is it all on the line? Seems like we have no deep threat... I like stills but the deep home run ball seems to be missing... and the short passing gets broken up all the time Some of the lack of Long Ball success is with pass protection but tell me when is the last time you saw Brees hit a streaking wide receiver or anyone in stride downfield with the ball in front of them and the receiver not having to work back to the ball thru the defender. mikesaintfan and CharityMike like this.

01-12-2014, 05:52 AM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: Solutions for 2014 1. Most important change is getting a WR that can open up the field, command double coverages, etc. This would make Graham and the rest of the receiving core get better separation. 2. Second most important change is to upgrade DLP and maybe Strief. 3. Need to harden up our run defense. Also add some playmaker/turnover potential. I think for the most part this team is moving in the right direction. Fans need to keep their chins up, the future is very bright. Think we are a few key pieces away from being the team to beat. This off-season will be one of the most important ones that we've had. Rugby Saint II and frydaddy like this.
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01-12-2014, 11:38 AM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Solutions for 2014 Originally Posted by hitta 1. Most important change is getting a WR that can open up the field, command double coverages, etc. This would make Graham and the rest of the receiving core get better separation. 2. Second most important change is to upgrade DLP and maybe Strief. 3. Need to harden up our run defense. Also add some playmaker/turnover potential. Agreed- we have not had a big play game changer on either side since Bush and Sharper. We really do not have ANYONE that is one touch and gone. I know everyone points to upgrading DB as a glaring need, but I completely disagree. Look at the results we got with the personnel we had, and then look at our IR. We played 3 safeties in nickel coverage this year. Imagine C Rob or White instead. My fix: get the best O-linemen available, either a C or T. DLP's time has come, and Armstead was passable, better than Brown. However, if we can upgrade either position and give Drew an extra half second to get through his reads, we can get back to where we were.

01-12-2014, 12:01 PM	#7
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: Solutions for 2014 Originally Posted by MatthewT A legitimate physical TE is needed for sure. Graham is a legitimate red zone stud and is probably best suited to play the roll of a number 3 WR. Noticed the running game did not even start to get going this season until Ben Watson was playing more. As much as I love Graham, he is a complete blocking liability and also does not do much of anything when he gets physical coverage on the line. Some depth at OL, maybe Charles Brown can push for the RT job??? Matthew, I agree with the need to acquire a physical blocking tight end. But I think our depth at tight end is good enough. With all the financial issues we have, I doubt that we will see major moves at this position. Also, if Payton did not move Brown over to the RT when he inserted Armstead into the starting lineup, I think Brown's time is over on this team. Originally Posted by Saintaintso 1. Restructure Brees Contract ... 70M is enough for someone who can't produce when it matters. We're not the cowboys we don't reward mediocrity. 3. Release : Will Smith , Jonathan Vilma ( hurts ) , Malcolm Jenkins , Roman Harper , Robert Meachem , Charles Brown , Zach Strief ( I know what I've seen is enough ) , and DLP. ( Holding up blocking isn't good enough in Seattle or San Fran and Now Carolina. Add some Lovie Smith in that , Falcons Pick up Clowney , yeah this need be addressed ) 4. 2 Running Backs Need To Go ... Neither named Ingram or Robinson ( Imagine Saying that Last Year ) Sproles can Stay , if he's odd man out we will address this in the draft. 5. With new cap space , Sign Alex Mack Pro Bowl Center Browns. Versatile Safety Ryan Clark Pittsburgh. definitely Resign Bush. Offer Darius Heyward Bey WR . Sign LB Jon Beason to a 1 yr deal. 6. Draft : D Thomas RB Oregon 3drb 2nd round. Perhaps a new OC ... I think Brees will restructure his deal. Remember, I think it does affect the cap in future seasons. I think they will resign Jenkins, but most or all of your list of players I do think will go. I don't know how Darius Heyward Bey makes our receiving core any better. Beason I believe plays inside, so I'm not sure where he fits into the defensive picture. I like D'Anthony Thomas, but I worry if he will be one of those guys at the next level who is always questionable every week... then again in this sport who is not questionable. I'm okay with Payton continuing to call plays. I don't think it was his best season, and there are major changes coming offensively with this team. We could do worse. Originally Posted by hitta 1. Most important change is getting a WR that can open up the field, command double coverages, etc. This would make Graham and the rest of the receiving core get better separation. I've been saying this for weeks now. Our receivers just don't get separation down field anymore. Plus, I think a lot of the vets who play major roles on the receiving core are getting a little long in the tooth. I think Stills is going to be solid moving forward. I'm not sure about Morgan (need to see how he comes back from injury), and Toon. There are still financial issues that face this organization, but Loomis has figured out how to bring in quality talent under a tight squeeze on the cap. Lets see what happens this off-season.
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01-12-2014, 06:16 AM	#8
LBCutta 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Killeen, TX....Born in Marrero, LA Posts: 592	Re: Solutions for 2014 Also like it or not Brees' arm strength is not what it was. I think that has something to do with the deep ball threat lacking. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-12-2014, 06:31 AM	#9
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: Solutions for 2014 A more physical offense.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Solutions for 2014 8 points from NFCCG and you want to blow up the team? I don't think so... Attrition aside, there will be tweaks on both sides of the ball. Sean gave Rob some new toys last year, this year it's his turn. iceshack149, Danno and Mr.Riaton like this.

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