Payton: Keeping Jimmy Graham will require “tough decisions

Jack Vegas · 02-09-2014, 02:47 AM

"tough decisions?' LOL, I don't think so.

Smith and Harper were as good as gone the second they signed restructured deals pushing their big cap hits back to 2014. - I don't believe for a second Loomis did not know exactly what he was doing there. He knew those guys' days were numbered. Harper has already been replaced by Vaccaro and Smith, well we all see how we did without him.

Greer and Thomas? Replacements already found. Everybody seems to love Khiry and White showed a ton of ability. If we have to cut either or both of these guys it will be no big deal, and I hate to say it because they are both favorites of mine (especially PT, I even have his jersey) but that's reality.

Moore? Really? We're worried about losing Lance Moore? Come on. the guy barely played last year, when he did he wasn't that good, and his showboating ways are no reflection of his production. And Sproles is alreayd being restructured as we speak.

Restructuring Brees or Grubbs would just be icing on the cake at this point. You cut the players above and there's plenty of room to sign Graham, Strief, and whatever other players you want from the current roster, make a couple decent outside FA signings and still sign your rookies.

Sounds like a cut throat way of doing business and I do like every single one of those players (except for Will Smith who is a slow, fat bum IMO) but that is the way it works for every team in the NFL now.

halloween 65 · 02-09-2014, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

"tough decisions?' LOL, I don't think so.

Smith and Harper were as good as gone the second they signed restructured deals pushing their big cap hits back to 2014. - I don't believe for a second Loomis did not know exactly what he was doing there. He knew those guys' days were numbered. Harper has already been replaced by Vaccaro and Smith, well we all see how we did without him.

Greer and Thomas? Replacements already found. Everybody seems to love Khiry and White showed a ton of ability. If we have to cut either or both of these guys it will be no big deal, and I hate to say it because they are both favorites of mine (especially PT, I even have his jersey) but that's reality.

Moore? Really? We're worried about losing Lance Moore? Come on. the guy barely played last year, when he did he wasn't that good, and his showboating ways are no reflection of his production. And Sproles is alreayd being restructured as we speak.

Restructuring Brees or Grubbs would just be icing on the cake at this point. You cut the players above and there's plenty of room to sign Graham, Strief, and whatever other players you want from the current roster, make a couple decent outside FA signings and still sign your rookies.

Sounds like a cut throat way of doing business and I do like every single one of those players (except for Will Smith who is a slow, fat bum IMO) but that is the way it works for every team in the NFL now.

I get what your saying, but I have always felt the Saints keep players way to long( Smith, Vilma, Ellis) Smith and Vilma are 3 years past due in my opinion although I was hoping Smith would he our Harrelson this year at OLB setting the edge but my mistake. With that said thats 3 years waisted with carrying players which in 3 years could have upgraded and their replacements should be set at those positions. I think Harper needs a pay cut but will provide excellent depth at SS although I don't feel Bush is the answer at FS he should stay, again excellent depth, draft a ball hawk FS and those positions are set.Moore I agree 100%. The FO is in a great position with Graham either Tag him and let other teams give up draft picks for him or he plays here under that same tag, signing him to a top TE contract is not a smart move by the Saints, he could be replaced if need be.

The Dude · 02-09-2014, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

"tough decisions?' LOL, I don't think so.

Smith and Harper were as good as gone the second they signed restructured deals pushing their big cap hits back to 2014. - I don't believe for a second Loomis did not know exactly what he was doing there. He knew those guys' days were numbered. Harper has already been replaced by Vaccaro and Smith, well we all see how we did without him.

Greer and Thomas? Replacements already found. Everybody seems to love Khiry and White showed a ton of ability. If we have to cut either or both of these guys it will be no big deal, and I hate to say it because they are both favorites of mine (especially PT, I even have his jersey) but that's reality.

Moore? Really? We're worried about losing Lance Moore? Come on. the guy barely played last year, when he did he wasn't that good, and his showboating ways are no reflection of his production. And Sproles is alreayd being restructured as we speak.

Restructuring Brees or Grubbs would just be icing on the cake at this point. You cut the players above and there's plenty of room to sign Graham, Strief, and whatever other players you want from the current roster, make a couple decent outside FA signings and still sign your rookies.

Sounds like a cut throat way of doing business and I do like every single one of those players (except for Will Smith who is a slow, fat bum IMO) but that is the way it works for every team in the NFL now.

I agree. Smith and Harper's fate were decided long ago as well as Vilma. Jenkins won't be missed much either and I think we can find/draft better, younger, cheaper version anyway. While I disagree that White was ready to take over for Greer before the injury happened I don't think Greer will ever be the player he once was and White is an upgrade in that regard. I think we should keep Pierre because he opens up the playbook a little more with the screen. Its been said numerous times that the coaches are high on Robinson so he is a shoe in. Even though Ingram looked good in the playoffs I am still not sold on him. Would like to see him go. As for Moore it pains me to say it but his days are done too.

02-09-2014, 02:47 AM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Payton: Keeping Jimmy Graham will require “tough decisions "tough decisions?' LOL, I don't think so. Smith and Harper were as good as gone the second they signed restructured deals pushing their big cap hits back to 2014. - I don't believe for a second Loomis did not know exactly what he was doing there. He knew those guys' days were numbered. Harper has already been replaced by Vaccaro and Smith, well we all see how we did without him. Greer and Thomas? Replacements already found. Everybody seems to love Khiry and White showed a ton of ability. If we have to cut either or both of these guys it will be no big deal, and I hate to say it because they are both favorites of mine (especially PT, I even have his jersey) but that's reality. Moore? Really? We're worried about losing Lance Moore? Come on. the guy barely played last year, when he did he wasn't that good, and his showboating ways are no reflection of his production. And Sproles is alreayd being restructured as we speak. Restructuring Brees or Grubbs would just be icing on the cake at this point. You cut the players above and there's plenty of room to sign Graham, Strief, and whatever other players you want from the current roster, make a couple decent outside FA signings and still sign your rookies. Sounds like a cut throat way of doing business and I do like every single one of those players (except for Will Smith who is a slow, fat bum IMO) but that is the way it works for every team in the NFL now. saintsfan403 likes this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Payton: Keeping Jimmy Graham will require “tough decisions Originally Posted by Jack Vegas "tough decisions?' LOL, I don't think so. Smith and Harper were as good as gone the second they signed restructured deals pushing their big cap hits back to 2014. - I don't believe for a second Loomis did not know exactly what he was doing there. He knew those guys' days were numbered. Harper has already been replaced by Vaccaro and Smith, well we all see how we did without him. Greer and Thomas? Replacements already found. Everybody seems to love Khiry and White showed a ton of ability. If we have to cut either or both of these guys it will be no big deal, and I hate to say it because they are both favorites of mine (especially PT, I even have his jersey) but that's reality. Moore? Really? We're worried about losing Lance Moore? Come on. the guy barely played last year, when he did he wasn't that good, and his showboating ways are no reflection of his production. And Sproles is alreayd being restructured as we speak. Restructuring Brees or Grubbs would just be icing on the cake at this point. You cut the players above and there's plenty of room to sign Graham, Strief, and whatever other players you want from the current roster, make a couple decent outside FA signings and still sign your rookies. Sounds like a cut throat way of doing business and I do like every single one of those players (except for Will Smith who is a slow, fat bum IMO) but that is the way it works for every team in the NFL now. I get what your saying, but I have always felt the Saints keep players way to long( Smith, Vilma, Ellis) Smith and Vilma are 3 years past due in my opinion although I was hoping Smith would he our Harrelson this year at OLB setting the edge but my mistake. With that said thats 3 years waisted with carrying players which in 3 years could have upgraded and their replacements should be set at those positions. I think Harper needs a pay cut but will provide excellent depth at SS although I don't feel Bush is the answer at FS he should stay, again excellent depth, draft a ball hawk FS and those positions are set.Moore I agree 100%. The FO is in a great position with Graham either Tag him and let other teams give up draft picks for him or he plays here under that same tag, signing him to a top TE contract is not a smart move by the Saints, he could be replaced if need be.

02-09-2014, 08:17 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Payton: Keeping Jimmy Graham will require “tough decisions Originally Posted by Jack Vegas "tough decisions?' LOL, I don't think so. Smith and Harper were as good as gone the second they signed restructured deals pushing their big cap hits back to 2014. - I don't believe for a second Loomis did not know exactly what he was doing there. He knew those guys' days were numbered. Harper has already been replaced by Vaccaro and Smith, well we all see how we did without him. Greer and Thomas? Replacements already found. Everybody seems to love Khiry and White showed a ton of ability. If we have to cut either or both of these guys it will be no big deal, and I hate to say it because they are both favorites of mine (especially PT, I even have his jersey) but that's reality. Moore? Really? We're worried about losing Lance Moore? Come on. the guy barely played last year, when he did he wasn't that good, and his showboating ways are no reflection of his production. And Sproles is alreayd being restructured as we speak. Restructuring Brees or Grubbs would just be icing on the cake at this point. You cut the players above and there's plenty of room to sign Graham, Strief, and whatever other players you want from the current roster, make a couple decent outside FA signings and still sign your rookies. Sounds like a cut throat way of doing business and I do like every single one of those players (except for Will Smith who is a slow, fat bum IMO) but that is the way it works for every team in the NFL now. I agree. Smith and Harper's fate were decided long ago as well as Vilma. Jenkins won't be missed much either and I think we can find/draft better, younger, cheaper version anyway. While I disagree that White was ready to take over for Greer before the injury happened I don't think Greer will ever be the player he once was and White is an upgrade in that regard. I think we should keep Pierre because he opens up the playbook a little more with the screen. Its been said numerous times that the coaches are high on Robinson so he is a shoe in. Even though Ingram looked good in the playoffs I am still not sold on him. Would like to see him go. As for Moore it pains me to say it but his days are done too.
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