Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?
 

We should probably just ban polls. :)

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I don't know. Might be a good idea to see how everybody feels about it.

Hmmm.. How could we do that?

Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?
 

Well thought out polls help generate valuable discussion for these boards. They also provide vision into options that many of our members are unaware of.

That said, the first three words are key.

Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?
 

Can he get a punter's designation?

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Since he can dunk the cross bar, I say we designate him as a long range FG blocker.

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We also had a top offense with Aaron Brooks as well. So I guess we don't really "need" Drew Brees either. We had a top 5 offense without a bonafide WR1, do we really "need" to sign/draft one? We had a top 5 offense with DLP at C, do we really "need" to upgrade? We had a top 5 offense with Pete Carmichael, do we really "need" Sean Payton?

In a sense I get what you're saying. For the most part, I've always felt like practically everyone is replaceable. But you don't just let your best offensive weapon entering his prime walk away over a few million dollars. I don't understand why people are acting like signing Graham will financially cripple us. While we may technically not need Graham to remain a top 5 offense, I guarantee you our front office and Drew Brees feels otherwise. When he signs his contract, whether be the franchise tag or a long term deal, that should speaks volumes of whether or not he's "needed".

He's going to get paid... a lot of money.

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It would be foolish for us to do so ...

For Jimmy we Could

Trade For Another 1st THIS YEAR ...

Sign Aquib Talib

Sign Steve Smith

Sign McCluster

Sign Dqwell Jackson

Resign Cameron Jordan ahead of schedule ..

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I agree. And having him in can at times make us look pretty damn one dimensional. There were times at the beginning of last year where he was the only one Brees would throw to. If he gets WR designation I say we sign and trade or go for the comp pick.

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wow so sign the guy in the neighborhood of ten + million year is the results.

hey mickey the fans have spoken. get out the clever and a pen you got your work cut out for a few more years to come or till the cap catches up to the salaries we are willing to pay as fans and that too has been pushed back.

dam money tree is looking mighty bare. Better start getting multiple picks in the draft and start hitting an average of .700 for the year for the next couple years because signing FA aint looking so good. our or anyone other teams.

i am shocked to be honest. but B&G has spoken. break the bank

Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?
 

WHAT IF? What if Grandma had nuts then she'd be Grandpa ..... **** offseason

Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?
 

You wouldn't be posting if you had 2 grandpas.. Just thought I would point out that giving your aunt ballz allows you to exist:bng::)

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Yea I feel the same. IF he gets WR designation and wants Megatron money I say we try and work out a deal with another team to sign and trade him if that can be done.

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We would have to eat the guaranteed money in any deal though wouldn't we?

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A sign and trade won't work because as you said, the bonus money would stay with us, and I expect it will be in the 20 million range.

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All guaranteed money stays with the home team. Signing bonus and Franchise Tag monies are guaranteed.

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I'm down with whatever decision works best for the saints. I don't want to pay out the arse for him but I don't want him to walk for nothing. If the differences in money between letting him go elsewhere and keeping him are negligible I say keep him.

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there are ways around this issue. not sure what the new collective bargaining agreement is like but you use to be able to have the other team just sign that will take the entire new contract as part of the deal. i can not imagine that has changed.

If you cut a player all the money sticks with the original team. if the player signs for less your on the hook for the balance. ie Mecheam via the chargers.

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No sir, on all accounts.

Guaranteed money/Signing bonus is not split between terms, can't be bartered away, there are no deals, never was. The source is quoted here in these forums no less than a dozen times.

Signing bonus and guaranteed money are owned and paid by the home team, no way around it, can't be traded or agreed to away.

No way around the dead money hit.

There was no split of Meachems contract, the Chargers released him and had to eat $6.85m of dead money, once released that contract was history. Saints deal was a new deal and had nothing to do with the cancelled Chargers contract.

Trade - split difference in contract value EXCEPT guaranteed and signing bonus they are dead money.

Cut/Releases - contract over, no difference to pick up or split, home team eats dead money for guaranteed/signing bonus (Meachem).

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The only way around that (and its not really going around it) is for the other team to compensate for the home teams dead money hit by offering a draft pick(s).

The new team doesn't have to pay the dead money, but gives up draft picks
The old team eats the dead money, but gets a pick or two to compensate.

WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?
 

Team of origin/old team/team that the contract was written with, in our case Saints can not shed or trade away dead money hit for signing bonus, guaranteed money.

Yes, the new team can try and off set the lost cap space value with picks but nothing makes that dead money go away except the end of that season.

Point being that Hagen said something could be done about the dead money hit, and that isn't correct.

Teams can give or trade just about anything..... But the dead money for signing bonuses and guaranteed portions of contracts.
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