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Leaning towards a WR in round 1 but I think that only opens up for the possibility of trading back and getting more picks. Get us more bodies and more possible gems to polish.

...and it becomes cheaper for us!!!

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All draft picks are cheap now

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Yeah, and it's all a crap shoot anyway...

:couch:

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If the Texans don't go with a QB first overall and they want to jump back into the 1st round to make sure they get their guy... Then I'd be all for it. I guess that goes for most of the teams with the top 5 picks.

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Then why not trade down every round and get 20 7th rounders?

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As many "late rounders" and street free agents and walk on's that we hear about, I'd almost be for it.

As I've said or at least I'm saying now, they can evaluate all day (and night). It's not a complete waste of time. Still, at the end of the day, there have only been a very few "sure things" in the NFL draft that ever proved themselves as such. Far more crashed and burned.

They're measuring the wrong things. They should all have to pass an evaluation by Dr Phil before they're allowed to declare themselves eligible.

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Discount Belichick

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Well its a fact that 1st rounders have a higher percentage of success than 2nd rounders, and 2nd rounders have a higher percentage of success than 3rd rounders, and 3rd rounders have a higher percentage of success than 4th rounders, and so on.

But, has anyone run the stats on 20 or so arbitrary 7th rounders having more success than a 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th, and 6th rounder combined?


That might be an interesting comparison, twenty 7th rounder picks versus a traditional 1st thru 6th round draft.

But as I've pointed out quite successfully on numerous occasions, the draft is in no way shape or form a crap shoot.:p

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Oh it's a crap shoot alright, perhaps an educated one, but a crap shoot nonetheless. Just take the first round. ANY first round in history. If it were anything that resembled an exact science 1st round busts would be rare.

But they "bust" out every year. Year after year. I don't discount what you're saying. I get it. But in the end, there is no measurable that guarantees a player will be successful. There won't be one in our lifetime.

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A crap shoot implies that every selection from the 1st to the last has the exact same rate of success.

That just isn't so.

The odds favor 1st rounder over 2nd rounder, and 2nd over 3rd etc...

Therefore it is not a crap shoot.

You give me all 32 1st rounders and I'll give you all 32 7th rounders over the last 10 years. Who do you think will have the better team?

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I think you're missing the spirit of what I'm implying. Maybe if I said it's a "gamble" we'd be on the same page? Would you agree with that? That it's a gamble? Maybe more like Black Jack than dice?

Either way the spirit of what I'm saying is that there's no way to know. Those that go in the first round go that high because of the things they measure and play on the field in a game that overwhelms most of them for a while.

What makes a player special is not the round he was drafted in. What makes a player special is heart. There's no way to measure heart. All the 40 yard dash times and wonderlic scores - in the end they don't prove a damn thing really...because if they did, all these people who get paid tons of money to filter out the bad ones would be out of a job.

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Because you can't afford 20 more players at camp. Your broke remember.

Besides, id rather have the best 4 from the first 4 rounds than the best 10 out of the 7th.

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See. You're a high-roller!

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Because you can get 20 8th round picks if you just wait a day or two. :p

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Don't we call that team the Falcons?

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There are reasons teams covet and hoard these picks. I read somewhere where 56 % of of 1st rd picks start in their 1st year. This number decreases to 50% in the second rd .and drops dramatically in following rds. This should temper the hope that a draft pick can come in and fill a need immediately. That his a kind of crapshoot.

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this should be a wild draft. i expect a lot of trading. cap wise getting more picks is smart. but the talent in the first round is really solid this year so i am on the fence and given the track history of our ability to draft in round 1 i am leaning towards trade. if the offer came in to move to the top of the second AND we get the chance to move a player that would relieve the cap i think the saints would be hard pressed not to pull the trigger.

I for one have always loved trades in the draft. more picks the better. add in as many UNDFA as you can and let camp begin,

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The name's already taken, dammit! How about the pigeons? Now there's a really dirty bird...

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Haven't we already been down this road last year... and the year before that? And maybe the year before that too?

Luck, crapshoot, calculated crapshoot, roll of the dice, tomato, tamatoe, mayonnaise, mustard, apples, bananas? :violin:

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Considering what Payton/Loomis have found and brought onto the team in regards to under the radar players, I do not see it as being a still that is effected by quantity.

They look for something and they go get it, they don't take 20 warm bodies out to the practice field and hope someone turns out they way they thought he would.

Quality over quantity and draft order is somewhat irrelevant.

When is the last time we "traded down"? Who was the gem found because of that action?

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every draft isn't like the meachum theory, came out fat and out of shape and would have been cut if he were a 3rd or 4th rounder. we went with best available and stuck with the plan. if its that no# 3 from LSU that the best up; well welcome aboard and good luck kid.

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Good link for those of us with bad memories or selective amnesia:

New Orleans Saints All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

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Just reviewing our past drafts:

Looks as if the one thing we haven't really done was trade back, out of one and grab extra picks. I think its time to break that mold. Get some extra second round and 3rd round picks who could be able bodies to upgrade some talent over all. We also have done pretty well with making later round picks becoming contributors. Those players are also cheaper than 1st round pics...

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Not true. Only the highest-paid 51 players (or is it 53 players, I'm not sure which) count against the salary cap. You can have as many players you want after that. In theory.

I think trading out of the first round is a very good idea if there's not a player there you really want. If this really is the deepest draft in 15 years like some people are saying then teams will be pulling a lot of very good players out of the 3rd and 4th rounds. I could see trading our first for a high-ish 2nd and a couple 3rds and making out like bandits on that deal.

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That is correct and the number is 51. That said, camp is for player evaluation and there are only x number of reps to be had.

What is better for evaluation purposes?
8 WR get 20 reps a piece
20 WR get 8 reps a piece

I'm also not sure Benson wants to pay 15 warm bodies $925/week to just show up for camp and get cut.

Keep something in mind also, moving the draft date to May 8-10 takes 3 weeks away from coaches and drafted players before camp starts.

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56% success rate or hits in the first round. That drops to 50% in the second round. That's only a 6% differential. (these numbers represent hits vs. busts not first year starters)

Do you move back and gamble that the deep draft favor your draft board? Will the players that you want fall to you?

It's hard to figure the Saints draft strategy. We have had success with small school prospects who had round one potential in the later middle to late rounds. Or we take a chance on somebody with issues off the field and pick up round one talent later in the draft.

I will say that our draft classes are substantially better when we draft early in the rounds.:bng:

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First rounders are a crap shoot also. How much did we pay for Marc Ingram again? How's that crapshoot working for us?

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Can we all agree that last years draft may have been our best draft since 2006. 5 picks 4 "starters".....I use quotes for starters because Kenny Stills is a deep threat guy but I consider him a future #1 or #2 guy on this team.

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Just because you're a starter doesn't mean you're good. I also don't see Stills and a 1 or 2. You have to realize he is a role player. That is our O by design.

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as long as the saints stay in the top 5 of round 2 will i agree with it.

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So, before I go any further, is it safe to say that you believe either all or at the very least one of the following, Kenny V., Terron Armstead, Jon Jenkins and Kenny Stills, to be subpar? I would agree that being a starter doesn't make you automatically make you a 'good' player but we are talking about major contributors with bright futures in the NFL.

Or are you being contrarian for contrary sake?

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True, every team has about 15 "starters" on each side of the ball depending on which set they're in. 2-TE, 3-WR, 4-WR, 3-RB, 1-RB, 3-4 alignments, 4-3 alignments, nickel, dime, 3-safety, Nascar etc...

Its kinda hard to limit "starter" to only 11 guys on each side of the ball.