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lee909 03-17-2014 10:34 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583853)
According to PFF.

I don't go by what PFF says.
One of my friends is a Ravens fan and he doesn't rate him either. If the Ravens wouldn't give him $5ml a year it shows his worth.

Danno 03-17-2014 10:43 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Titans signed RT Michael Oher to a four-year, $20 million contract with $9.5 million guaranteed.
We have to believe Ozzie Newsome is chuckling at this one. Oher, 28 in May, never got better during his five-year stint in Baltimore, struggling mightily in spot duty at left tackle and performing at a well-below-average clip on the right side. He graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 68 tackle in 2013, among 76 qualifiers. Oher was a dead-last 76th in run blocking with eight sacks allowed. He'll replace David Stewart at right tackle in Nashville. For the second consecutive offseason, the Titans are having a head-scratching free agency period under scuffling GM Ruston Webster. (At least they "landed" Charlie Whitehurst.) Mar 14 - 6:37 PM
And from the Ravens board...
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LOL - They're bashing Oher already in Tenn and they haven't even seen him yet. Here's some comments on their board. Gotta hand it to them, they know their football.

1. He's a penalty machine. ILMAO

2. He'll never play out his contract. LOL

3. Rotoworld has him ranked at the very bottom for RTs with most sacks
allowed - 8. LOL

4. He has to be better than Stewart last year.

5. The Ravens are laughing over this one.

6. This is the second straight year the Titans had a head scratching
free agent period.

Aren't you glad we have Ozzie? EVen Decosta is better than their guy and he's the one who said WE HAVE OUR BOOKENDS. ILMAO
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In a word - TECHNIQUE or lack thereof.

You said it many times, short arms and wing span for LT and feet not fast enough at both positions. Doesn't use hands like a stun gun.
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Like others have said, Oher is a super nice guy, and I wish him the best. However, I am glad the Ravens are going in another direction at RT. Oher's technique never improved the entire time he was here, and he physically could not dominate like he did in college. By comparison, Yanda improved steadily(other than being injured), so you can't put that on the coaching staff. As nice as Oher is, he's clearly not the most intelligent guy out there, and the constant penalties at the very worst times, or blown assignments resulting in sacks displayed that.
And there are hundreds more just like these.

Jack Vegas 03-17-2014 10:48 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 583818)
It is what it is...

Really like the man, but I do so cringe watching the foot work or his assignment location during PT's screens...
No mistake about it, Strief does not look the part of a good OL. He doesn't seem to have muscles at all, he's slow and clumsy. He looks like the guy who serves you at the Taco Bell drive-in at 2 a.m. But he gets the job done because he's smart, tough and country boy strong. I like that in an offensive lineman.

|Mitch| 03-17-2014 11:03 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 583862)
No mistake about it, Strief does not look the part of a good OL. He doesn't seem to have muscles at all, he's slow and clumsy. He looks like the guy who serves you at the Taco Bell drive-in at 2 a.m. But he gets the job done because he's smart, tough and country boy strong. I like that in an offensive lineman.
No doubt; I could care-less what he looks like or if he is too slow to get ahead of a screen. He helps keep Drew upright for the most part and that's all that matters

TheOak 03-17-2014 11:08 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 583850)
Piece from the Baltimore sun

Oher allowed a team-high eight sacks and 42 quarterback hurries this season, according to Pro Football Focus. He had just five penalties this season but is the most frequently penalized player in the NFL since entering the league. He was the last-ranked tackle in the league in run blocking last season, according to Pro Football Focus

Stats, grades, numbers.... Those pesky things do not matter. Some people rely on the untrained eye. ;P

Like Larry the cable guy in a museum of fine art.

papz 03-17-2014 11:12 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
Oher over Strief?

No comment.


You know what I love about this deal besides the fact it's one hell of a bargain, Strief doesn't care. He wanted to remain a Saint and it showed.

SaintLeonard 03-17-2014 11:31 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 583835)
And yet no one's was knocking on his door as FA began...

It's helpful information, but I wouldn't use PFF as the barometer on a player's resume...

He's back and it's good and we get a couple more years of watching him woof down a Crispy Thin Catfish Poboy on the Big Screen at New Orleans Hamburger and Seafood Company...
Nobody was knocking down his door because he was rejecting other teams (like Miami), not because he isn't a great player.

Another geat signing by Loomis.

saintsfan403 03-17-2014 11:35 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
BUT GUYS WE HAD NO CAP AND NO MOBILE QB? WHY FOR THEN CAN WE SIGN PLAYERS WITH NO CAP LOL? DOES THIS MEAN ONLY UDFAs FOR SAINTS?

SaintLeonard 03-17-2014 11:37 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583853)
According to PFF.

I don't go by what PFF says.
"Oher allowed a team high 8 sacks"

Doesn't matter if PFF or ESPN is saying that, I don't see how that statement is debatable. Honestly, Oher is only a big name because they made a movie about him. He's not that good of a tackle.

saintfan 03-17-2014 11:58 AM
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Much to be said for continuity...particularly along the o line as we all know. One less thing and a very good player to boot.

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halloween 65 03-17-2014 12:36 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
He's not my wild-card anymore, not a bad price either. Now Mickey draft me a stud Center.

Saintswrath 03-17-2014 12:36 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by exile (Post 583811)
A 5-year deal at that. They like them some Strief. Solid RT.
He's going to be grooming his replacement.

rezburna 03-17-2014 12:38 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 583875)
"Oher allowed a team high 8 sacks"

Doesn't matter if PFF or ESPN is saying that, I don't see how that statement is debatable. Honestly, Oher is only a big name because they made a movie about him. He's not that good of a tackle.
Strief allowed 7 the year before last. To me, he's not that good of a tackle. He's a fan favorite, and I'll concede that he's serviceable, but I'm not a fan and never will be. Not to mention, didn't he just turn 30? 30 isn't usually the best time for elite lineman, let alone an average one.

|Mitch| 03-17-2014 12:53 PM
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Like him or not, no way you would have signed an over-rated Oher for that

EDIT:The Titans are signing Michael Oher to a four-year, $20 million contract with $9.5 million guaranteed

saintsfan1976 03-17-2014 12:57 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583896)
Strief allowed 7 the year before last. To me, he's not that good of a tackle. He's a fan favorite, and I'll concede that he's serviceable, but I'm not a fan and never will be. Not to mention, didn't he just turn 30? 30 isn't usually the best time for elite lineman, let alone an average one.
Streif battled a groin injury, suspended head coach and an offseason rife with team ridicule. What was Oher's excuse?

Streif's been a starter for 3 seasons, two of which were above average and the last being his best.

Regardless of favorites, we just resigned a top 10 RT at a great price.

SaintLeonard 03-17-2014 01:02 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583896)
Strief allowed 7 the year before last. To me, he's not that good of a tackle. He's a fan favorite, and I'll concede that he's serviceable, but I'm not a fan and never will be. Not to mention, didn't he just turn 30? 30 isn't usually the best time for elite lineman, let alone an average one.
I completely agree with you he wasn't that great in 2012. He really turned it around in 2013 though in my opinion.

lee909 03-17-2014 01:03 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
The whole team was poor in 2012

Danno 03-17-2014 01:11 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583896)
Strief allowed 7 the year before last. To me, he's not that good of a tackle. He's a fan favorite, and I'll concede that he's serviceable, but I'm not a fan and never will be. Not to mention, didn't he just turn 30? 30 isn't usually the best time for elite lineman, let alone an average one.
OLinemen play longer than most other positions, and he doesn't have as much wear and tear on his body (he was a back-up for 4 or 5 years), and he looked great at 29, so a couple more years shouldn't be a huge problem.

brees84 03-17-2014 01:14 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
This is very good news. Especially when you take a look at contract details.

Saintswrath 03-17-2014 01:17 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583896)
Strief allowed 7 the year before last. To me, he's not that good of a tackle. He's a fan favorite, and I'll concede that he's serviceable, but I'm not a fan and never will be. Not to mention, didn't he just turn 30? 30 isn't usually the best time for elite lineman, let alone an average one.
Whole team even Drew Brees stunk up the field in 2012, no coach, multiple injuries, deplinished Defense thanks mostly to Goodell, i wouldn't put a lot of stock in 2012 at all to judge any players, they're heads were just not in the game, we did fair better with the injuries and without a coach than Falcons did just last year with a few injuries, no suspended players and their entire coaching staff..

papz 03-17-2014 01:17 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583896)
Strief allowed 7 the year before last. To me, he's not that good of a tackle. He's a fan favorite, and I'll concede that he's serviceable, but I'm not a fan and never will be. Not to mention, didn't he just turn 30? 30 isn't usually the best time for elite lineman, let alone an average one.
You might be confused. That usually applies to running backs. OL usually have a long shelf life.

Danno 03-17-2014 01:19 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 583916)
This is very good news. Especially when you take a look at contract details.
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Zach Strief deal includes 1styear base salary of $900k, plus the $5.5 million signing bonus (total of $12.3 first 3 yrs), per league source.

Looks like year 1 will be a 2 million cap hit. Thats fantastic.

Danno 03-17-2014 01:26 PM
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Jack Vegas 03-17-2014 01:32 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583896)
Strief allowed 7 the year before last.
.....when he played almost the whole season with a severe leg injury. Every other season since he became starting right tackle is pretty much just like last year. Rock solid.

rezburna 03-17-2014 02:15 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 583929)
.....when he played almost the whole season with a severe leg injury. Every other season since he became starting right tackle is pretty much just like last year. Rock solid.
He wasn't a world beater the year before that either. I don't want to hear the he was hurt talk. If he was hurt he should have sat out. He's only been starting what, 3 years? I don't disagree, last year was pretty good. Definitely the best I've seen of him. But 30 isn't a good age for somebody who wasn't great to begin with. Just okay.

rezburna 03-17-2014 02:16 PM
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Y'all know I don't like him, I don't even know why y'all argue with me. Lol.

Danno 03-17-2014 02:22 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583939)
Y'all know I don't like him, I don't even know why y'all argue with me. Lol.
Yeah, there was a guy here who didn't like Brees or Payton several years ago too. He doesn't post here anymore.

Saintswrath 03-17-2014 02:47 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 583942)
Yeah, there was a guy here who didn't like Brees or Payton several years ago too. He doesn't post here anymore.
Oh he's still here, just changed identities.. i know for sure. * But i ain't the one to gossip so you aint hear it from me*

rezburna 03-17-2014 03:53 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 583942)
Yeah, there was a guy here who didn't like Brees or Payton several years ago too. He doesn't post here anymore.
Now that is ludicrous.

Schmohams 03-17-2014 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 583939)
Y'all know I don't like him, I don't even know why y'all argue with me. Lol.
If there was no movie about Oher nobody would know who he was, bottom 5 starting tackle in this league.

rezburna 03-17-2014 08:08 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 584005)
If there was no movie about Oher nobody would know who he was, bottom 5 starting tackle in this league.
I liked him at Ole Miss and followed him up through the draft process. Definitely thought he'd be more dominant. I think it's complacency. That year with him, Mike Wallace, Green - Ellis, McCluster, and Greg Hardy was a good time for that program. A program I despise. But since I'm in Mississippi always have to hear about.

hagan714 03-17-2014 08:13 PM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
well this is better than we had before we signed him.
I guess OC is left now. DLP or draft?
still need to address OL depth

well as i thought he is a saint through and through. when he hands over the starting spot he cam be a hell of swing man till he hangs up his cleats

Luda34 03-17-2014 10:42 PM
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Good for us

Exxcalibur 03-18-2014 04:17 AM
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I got a Facebook alert about this. The commentary from armchair GMs on Facebook is almost completely disparaging, which is ridiculous.

I had to come on here for some sanity.

Job done, thanks you all.

Audiotom 03-18-2014 08:08 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
this in froma thread in the Atlanta falcons forums on the Streif signing


Posted Today, 05:57 PM


View PostStockSpyder, on 17 March 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:


Just wait a few years when that teams gets screwed over cap wise, you can't kick the salary cap tomato can down the road forever.


View Postfibonacci, on 17 March 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:


they are screwed now. they were screwed right before march 11th. yet somehow they signed byrd, was able to say they kept sproles (which means they were over the cap), but after byrd they were less then a million in space, and now today they pull this off.

what are they doing paying people dimes their first year?

next response


You have no idea how pathetic this is.

Our biggest rival and we are so dominated by them that we don't even dare suggest we are gonna beat them this coming season. No. Instead, we revel in how the cap monster is gonna step in and take care of them for us.

This fan base needs an enema.

Edited by LotsaPoppa, Today, 05:57 PM.

lee909 03-18-2014 08:13 AM
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LotsaPoppa knows

ChrisXVI 03-18-2014 08:24 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
I've started to realize just how lazy other GM's are. Loomis isn't afraid to put in a little extra work coming up with creative ways to structure contracts and keep the team competitive every year despite so-called "cap issues." I see a team like the Panthers sitting on $8 million and watching their roster get decimated all because they're worried about resigning guys next year. It's pure laziness on the GM's part.

Audiotom 03-18-2014 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 584094)
I've started to realize just how lazy other GM's are. Loomis isn't afraid to put in a little extra work coming up with creative ways to structure contracts and keep the team competitive every year despite so-called "cap issues." I see a team like the Panthers sitting on $8 million and watching their roster get decimated all because they're worried about resigning guys next year. It's pure laziness on the GM's part.
The funny part is that Cam will probably leave next year because their team will do poorly next year and a potential contender will throw him a big bone

Remember he hasn't had a payday in Carolina yet
Where's the loyalty

lee909 03-18-2014 10:02 AM
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I can see him walking too,the franchise tag this year is close to $17ml so it would be costly to keep him.I wonder if we see a trade for him if a QB goes down

ChrisXVI 03-18-2014 10:19 AM
Re: Saints re-sign Zach Strief
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 584107)
I can see him walking too,the franchise tag this year is close to $17ml so it would be costly to keep him.I wonder if we see a trade for him if a QB goes down

And like I said, their GM isn't smart enough to structure his new contract to reduce the cap hit in year one.


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