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alleycat_126 03-22-2014 08:52 AM

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If theres one player you wouldn't leave the draft without who is it, and why......

The one player I wouldn't leave the draft without is Stanley Jean Baptiste... I don't think it would be a reach to take him at 27.

lee909 03-22-2014 08:55 AM

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That would be a massive reach imo.
At best 4th rated CB at the draft,if he is still there in the second then i would not mind drafting him.

CheramieIII 03-22-2014 09:05 AM

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we will draft the best DE or DT with our first pick. I hope we can get the guy out of UCLA Barr can double as a DE and OLB

lee909 03-22-2014 09:08 AM

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Wont happen unless we trade up,Barr is going top 15 possibly 15-20 if he slips

TheOak 03-22-2014 09:15 AM

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Who ever the #1 priority for the Falcons is.

Ashley 03-22-2014 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 584802)
Who ever the #1 priority for the Falcons is.

yes that would be very funny

dizzle88 03-22-2014 10:58 AM

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I'd love for us to get Odell Beckham, that guy can be a game changer

I've got a feeling we might go DB though, corey white is too hot and cold, as soon as keenan lewis got injured in the playoffs, corey white nearly lost us the game single handedly

NoZone504 03-22-2014 11:14 AM

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Ryan Shazier

jeanpierre 03-22-2014 11:46 AM

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That's tough, it's a toss up of Georgia Tech's Jerimiah Attaochu or Michigan State's Max Bullough...

Attaochu could play all four linebacking spots, but would be outstanding as the WLB...he reminds me, in many ways, of Rickey Jackson...Others' "mocks" may not agree, but to the Saints, he'd be worth the late first round pick...

But I believe Max Bullough is the field general in the middle on defense that this unit needs to become elite, not only in rankings, but in respect around the league...I'd even take Bullough with our second round pick...Bullough reminds me of Brian Urlacher...But Bullough is big enough he could play OLB in certain situations as well; but he's a smart student of the game...

If we got those two - I'm throwing a Black & Gold crawfish boil to remember, even at the current prices...

I'd make sure RR will received an invitation by FedEx...

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 11:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 584795)
If theres one player you wouldn't leave the draft without who is it, and why......



The one player I wouldn't leave the draft without is Stanley Jean Baptiste... I don't think it would be a reach to take him at 27.


I read the first sentence of this thread and my first thought was Stanley Jean-Baptiste! I would not pick him in the first round but I would not be mad if we traded up in the 2nd round to get him... Maybe give up both of our 5th round picks and our 6th round pick.

Danno 03-22-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 584795)
If theres one player you wouldn't leave the draft without who is it, and why......

The one player I wouldn't leave the draft without is Stanley Jean Baptiste... I don't think it would be a reach to take him at 27.

DraftScout has him the 11th best CB and a 3rd round grade.
NFLDC has him 9th best, also a 3rd round grade
Walter has him 9th best with a 3rd round grade

It would be an enormous reach at 27, and he would be a reach in the 2nd.

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 584830)
DraftScout has him the 11th best CB and a 3rd round grade.

NFLDC has him 9th best, also a 3rd round grade

Walter has him 9th best with a 3rd round grade



It would be an enormous reach at 27, and he would be a reach in the 2nd.


You of all people are taking someone like Walter's opinion as gospel?! Come on man. One second you think draft talk is all a waste of time and the next second you're quoting websites about how some CB would be a waste of a 2nd round pick.

Danno 03-22-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 584831)
You of all people are taking someone like Walter's opinion as gospel?! Come on man.


How in the hell did you read that I took Walters grade as gospel? Thats absurd.

C'mon man, thats a huge stretch, like taking Stanley Jean Baptiste at 27.

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 584832)
How in the hell did you read that I took Walters grade as gospel? Thats absurd.



C'mon man, thats a huge stretch, like taking Stanley Jean Baptiste at 27.


You looked it up and referenced it here... Therefore you took it seriously. Otherwise why bother doing that research and posting what you did in some kind of effort to school the original poster.

Danno 03-22-2014 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 584833)
You looked it up and referenced it here... Therefore you took it seriously. Otherwise why bother doing that research and posting what you did in some kind of effort to school the original poster.

I listed THREE sites that have him as a 3rd. I never said any of those THREE sites I listed were gospel.

Are you truly that dense? Gospel? Really Chris? I don't know whether to laugh or feel embarrassed for you.

Is there a draft site somewhere that shows him going in the 1st round? I've yet to see one.

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 584835)
I listed THREE sites that have him as a 3rd. I never said any of those THREE sites I listed were gospel.



Are you truly that dense? Gospel? Really Chris? I don't know whether to laugh or feel embarrassed for you.



Is there a draft site somewhere that shows him going in the 1st round? I've yet to see one.


Danno mad!! Pre-draft talk is meaningless but let's post links to sites referencing a players supposed round he will be drafted in. I'm not dense buddy.

TheOak 03-22-2014 12:56 PM

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When you ladies are finished comparing purses we can get back to Saints football.

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 584838)
When you ladies are finished comparing purses we can get back to Saints football.


Ok... I agree. I'm sorry Danno. I had a rough day. I have a 9 week old baby and the one thing that people never told me is the strain a baby will put on your relationship. I guess I just took my frustration out on you and I apologize for that. As Saints fans we're all a family and what family doesn't fight sometimes?!

TheOak 03-22-2014 01:05 PM

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Gabe Ikard - top Center that can also play guard.

Gonna need this sort of player to run up the middle.

TheOak 03-22-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 584839)
Ok... I agree. I'm sorry Danno. I had a rough day. I have a 9 week old baby and the one thing that people never told me is the strain a baby will put on your relationship. I guess I just took my frustration out on you and I apologize for that. As Saints fans we're all a family and what family doesn't fight sometimes?!


Look at it this way, having and raising a child tempers a relationship more than it strains it.

It's very humbling to go to sleep Master of the Universe and wake up to a crying baby and feel helpless.

Take a pause when you feel things getting deep to remind your other half and your self that it's not about y'all anymore. The child needs you two to function like a good offensive line during a screen.

;)

dizzle88 03-22-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 584841)
Look at it this way, having and raising a child tempers a relationship more than it strains it.

It's very humbling to go to sleep Master of the Universe and wake up to a crying baby and feel helpless.

Take a pause when you feel things getting deep to remind your other half and your self that it's not about y'all anymore. The child needs you two to function like a good offensive line during a screen.

;)

Is the baby Pierre Thomas in that example? Lol

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 584841)
Look at it this way, having and raising a child tempers a relationship more than it strains it.

It's very humbling to go to sleep Master of the Universe and wake up to a crying baby and feel helpless.

Take a pause when you feel things getting deep to remind your other half and your self that it's not about y'all anymore. The child needs you two to function like a good offensive line during a screen.

;)


Words of wisdom buddy. Nothing will humble a man quite like having a baby LOL. Anyways, enough of that... Back to the topic at hand. I'm really intrigued by the ILB prospects in this draft. I even think some of the designated OLB's like Shazier and Van Noy would be fantastic ILB's if Loomis was interested in upgrading.

Rugby Saint II 03-22-2014 02:49 PM

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The one guy I couldn't live without is that guy from over there. We were talking about him in another thread.

jnormand 03-22-2014 03:24 PM

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We need a CB and I hope we use our first pick on a good one. Like D'squarius Green Jr or The Player Formally Known As Mouse Cop. Maybe even Jackmarius Tacktheritrix.

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 584849)
We need a CB and I hope we use our first pick on a good one. Like D'squarius Green Jr or The Player Formally Known As Mouse Cop. Maybe even Jackmarius Tacktheritrix.


Xmus Jaxon Flaxon-Waxon just tore it up at his Pro Day yesterday. I heard Rob Ryan was there.

jnormand 03-22-2014 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 584851)
Xmus Jaxon Flaxon-Waxon just tore it up at his Pro Day yesterday. I heard Rob Ryan was there.

I heard! But you know Tacktheritrix is better than Flaxon-Waxon man!

jeanpierre 03-22-2014 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 584839)
Ok... I agree. I'm sorry Danno. I had a rough day. I have a 9 week old baby and the one thing that people never told me is the strain a baby will put on your relationship. I guess I just took my frustration out on you and I apologize for that. As Saints fans we're all a family and what family doesn't fight sometimes?!

Chris, class post; way to take the high road...

Good to know we have Black & Gold Members such as you...

MarchingOn 03-22-2014 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 584840)
Gabe Ikard - top Center that can also play guard.

Gonna need this sort of player to run up the middle.


Don't know this guy but a C/G is a great approach. We've Lelito moving to Center or, if he does not, as our backup to both Guards. So, we're thin.

Also increases flexibility, by definition. Plus, one would expect a C who can play G to be bigger and stronger. Hate seeing our C pushed back into Bree's step-up lane.

If we get a pure Center, then he should be a great one; otherwise, go for C/G.

ChrisXVI 03-22-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 584862)
Chris, class post; way to take the high road...



Good to know we have Black & Gold Members such as you...


I was being a jerk. Thank you for the kind words though. Back to the topic though... If we don't draft either Christian Jones or Andrew Jackson as potential ILB's to replace our current guys then I'll be pi$$ed! I read that Rob Ryan was all over Jones at FSU's Pro Day... I love his versatility. Unfortunately he'll probably be drafted before our 2nd round pick. I'll add him to the list with Jean-Baptiste of guys that I wouldn't be mad if we traded up in the 2nd round to get.

woody 03-22-2014 10:27 PM

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I love the thought of opposing secondaries having to match up with 3 humongous receivers, Graham, Colston, and Kelvin Benjamin.

halloween 65 03-23-2014 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 584830)
DraftScout has him the 11th best CB and a 3rd round grade.
NFLDC has him 9th best, also a 3rd round grade
Walter has him 9th best with a 3rd round grade

It would be an enormous reach at 27, and he would be a reach in the 2nd.

I love Walters it allows me to read and try to fit pieces to the puzzle. My pick at #1 to have is Hageman DT.

Marlboro Man 03-23-2014 07:13 AM

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Man, picking only one is super tough. I'd love Darquez Dennard but that's not realistic, I think we could get McGill and that would be a damn good pick, but if Shazier is there and I don't believe he will be you can't pass him up. If he's not there and Attachou is there, again you have to make that pick. Also, if OBJ is there, that would be an awesome pick. This team needs playmakers, game changers so you've got to take one if you can get one. Still if we were to be able to get one of the above players in round 1 and still get Stanley Jean-Baptiste in the second, that would be an outstanding draft.

hagan714 03-23-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 584830)
DraftScout has him the 11th best CB and a 3rd round grade.
NFLDC has him 9th best, also a 3rd round grade
Walter has him 9th best with a 3rd round grade

It would be an enormous reach at 27, and he would be a reach in the 2nd.

that rating was based on his combine forty. pro day 4.45 he is back in 2/3 range. your talking possible huge upside with the kid

hagan714 03-23-2014 10:52 AM

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just one hmmmm dam tough question

Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn is the safest bet to be a pro bowler from day one.

No Ditka trades?

A Draft going wth happened but at least the took. Now the round taken makes a huge difference.

Charles Sims RB West Virgina in the fourth would make me happy. an under rated steal and instant impact from day one. he can be groomed by PT as his replacement when the time comes.

all the names mentioned so far are good ones.

alleycat_126 03-23-2014 01:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 584830)
DraftScout has him the 11th best CB and a 3rd round grade.
NFLDC has him 9th best, also a 3rd round grade
Walter has him 9th best with a 3rd round grade

It would be an enormous reach at 27, and he would be a reach in the 2nd.

You and draftscouts, Nfldc, and walter's are absolutely right. He's not a first round selection, probably not a second. But you also know this is a dart throw at wall sized dart board and hoping to hit the target. I know the scouts sites say there is a perfect place to get him. I guess what I was trying to say is I don't care...... Just get him!!!!

jeanpierre 03-23-2014 05:30 PM

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I consider Pierre Desir and Stanley Jean-Baptiste the same tier and I'd want Desir before Jean-Baptiste...

Jack Vegas 03-23-2014 06:41 PM

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Jason Verrett. We NEED this guy in our secondary. NEED

The Dude 03-23-2014 07:46 PM

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Speculate all you want it will probably be BPA

TheOak 03-24-2014 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 584866)
Don't know this guy but a C/G is a great approach. We've Lelito moving to Center or, if he does not, as our backup to both Guards. So, we're thin.

Also increases flexibility, by definition. Plus, one would expect a C who can play G to be bigger and stronger. Hate seeing our C pushed back into Bree's step-up lane.

If we get a pure Center, then he should be a great one; otherwise, go for C/G.

In the spirit of one thing feeds off of another.. If our passing game feeds off of our ability to run the ball, then our screen game feeds off of our ability to run the ball up the middle.

C/G gaps are where that happens and if there is enough threat to L/R C running it opens up the outside and the screen.

For me personally our biggest issue on the OL last season was worrying about Brown, he didn't have a lot of horrible games but when he did it was bad... I am also not entirely sure he got a fair shot from the fans from the get go.

After that we were plagued with players having to play hurt on the Right side.. Both Evans and Streif were nicked up a few weeks. We lack depth on the Offensive Line, look at the offensive line depth chart now and the the start of last season. We have been way too shallow, right now we have no back ups (with experience) for C/LG/RG/LT. Go back to 10/1/2013 and lelito was everyones back up.
Ourlads' NFL Depth Chart Archive

As unattractive as the proposition sounds, I think we pick up at least 2 Offensive linemen in the draft. A C/G and a T/G or a C and a T/G.

I also think in a way our Screen game effects our short passing and running game but that is a different discussion. The threat of the Screen makes LBs stay home and that puts them right there in the short middle passing and running lanes.

TheOak 03-24-2014 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 585035)
Speculate all you want it will probably be BPA

I think you misunderstood the OP. it was who are you needing to leave the draft with, not who in what round. Picks 1-2 are generally BPA, after that we are looking for depth and diamonds in the rough.

We are short on both cap space and depth on the OL, we cant afford to not come out of the draft with a couple of OL.


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