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papz 03-22-2014 10:18 AM

Brees clarifies statement, says Graham defines new position
 
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Less than two months ago, Saints quarterback Drew Brees put himself at the center of a media controversy when he confidently declared All-Pro teammate Jimmy Graham was “a tight end.”

When he appeared on NFL Network’s Total Access on Thursday night, Brees wasn’t going to make the same mistake. So, after being asked to once again wade into the league-wide debate about whether Graham is a tight end or a wide receiver, Brees flashed a wry smile and replied, “He’s a hybrid.”

“He’s re-writing the requirements of the person at that position,” Brees said. “Any guy like him that’s drafted in the future — the bar is Jimmy Graham.”

While Brees delivered his politically sound answer, it certainly seemed the fallout that ensued after he replied to a similar question less elegantly was fresh on his mind.

In January, during an interview with NBC Sports Radio’s Erik Kuselias, Brees remarked of Graham: “He’s a tight end. He’s a tight end.”
Brees was only reiterating his team’s well-known stance: Graham is a tight end because that’s what he was drafted as, and that’s what he’s been to two Pro Bowls as. However, pundits promptly accused him of possibly hurting the earning potential of Graham, who everyone knew was going to be given a franchise tag.

Graham, who spent most of his time in 2013 on the gridiron lining up out wide for the Saints, was handed that one-year franchise tag as a tight end on Feb. 28. A franchise tag for a receiver is about $5 million more than it is for a tight end, and many believe Graham could file a grievance through the players union to be classified as a wideout for the purposes of payment.

Graham might not even play under the one-year franchise tag if he and the Saints can work out a long-term contract to replace the now-expired rookie deal he accepted from New Orleans as a third-round draft pick in 2010. But, if Graham goes through with the grievance, then it may be up to an arbitrator to determine exactly what position he is.

And Brees on Thursday made sure to not say anything that could be misconstrued as his taking a stand against Graham, who led the NFL in the regular season with 16 touchdown catches and the Saints with 1,215 yards receiving, impressive enough to make him New Orleans’ only first-team All-Pro player last year.

“There is a place I can throw it where he can catch it and the other guy can’t,” Brees said about Graham on Total Access. “I want to be throwing to that guy a long time.”

Drew Brees clarifies position on Jimmy Graham | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA

rezburna 03-22-2014 10:20 AM

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Shut up Breesy Baby.

SaintsBro 03-22-2014 11:12 AM

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I personally don't have a problem with him playing both sides to the middle on this; he said what he said, and that's fine, it's perfectly obvious that he is the QB and leader and he has to keep everybody happy.

Now if he had come out the other way FIRST, that Graham was deserving of mega huge wide receiver money, then backtracked from that and said he was a tight end, in essence putting Graham's money ahead of the team's success....well THAT I would have a problem with.

jnormand 03-22-2014 03:07 PM

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I don't have a problem with Brees saying what he's said. I do have a problem with this stupid TE vs WR crap. He's a damn TE not a ****in WR!

Garry42 03-22-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 584847)
I don't have a problem with Brees saying what he's said. I do have a problem with this stupid TE vs WR crap. He's a damn TE not a ****in WR!

I agree with you, but there is getting to be a grey area between the two positions that didn't exist in the past. "Hybrid" is probably the best definition. The question then is....what is that position (or player) worth?

ScottF 03-22-2014 05:42 PM

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I wonder if this has anything to do with Brees quitting the PA committee.. maybe he wanted to be off-stage for this negotiation and potential appeal

billyt81 03-22-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 584847)
I don't have a problem with Brees saying what he's said. I do have a problem with this stupid TE vs WR crap. He's a damn TE not a ****in WR!

I totally disagree. He lines up at WR nearly 75% of the time. He can't move a DE or an OLB. Colston blocks better. He led the NFL with 16 receiving TD and caught more fade routes than anyone in the league. I say just put him at WR permanently and get a Hoby Brenner type(slow dependable receiver/blocks like a tackle) to play TE. He's as good a WR as Calvin Johnson when he's healthy.

rezburna 03-22-2014 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 584880)
I totally disagree. He lines up at WR nearly 75% of the time. He can't move a DE or an OLB. Colston blocks better. He led the NFL with 16 receiving TD and caught more fade routes than anyone in the league. I say just put him at WR permanently and get a Hoby Brenner type(slow dependable receiver/blocks like a tackle) to play TE. He's as good a WR as Calvin Johnson when he's healthy.

He's not close to the receiver Calvin Johnson is. Healthy or not. Calvin Johnson NEVER gets to line up with his hand in the dirt and go one on one with a linebacker or safety. Jimmy Graham had 16 td's because Drew Brees force fed him the ball and tried to use him as a crutch in every situation. We suffered because of it. Jimmy Graham isn't better then a healthy Grownkowski. Let's not go crazy.

And if he's not a TE, he shouldn't have accepted his Pro Bowl designation. He needs to decline all records that he may have broken or will break as a TE. He needs to stop doing any and all te activities at practice and line up strictly as a receiver 100% of the time.

Rugby Saint II 03-22-2014 09:14 PM

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He is a TE. A hybrid TE nonetheless.

lee909 03-23-2014 01:14 AM

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He is a TE full stop.
The position has been slowly evolving for a few years, he is just one of the first fulltime receiving TE's.

He isn't in tve same league as Calvin as a WR, nobody is. I do not remember seeibg CJ go up with alligator arms to often either.

rezburna 03-23-2014 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 584896)
He is a TE full stop.
The position has been slowly evolving for a few years, he is just one of the first fulltime receiving TE's.

He isn't in tve same league as Calvin as a WR, nobody is. I do not remember seeibg CJ go up with alligator arms to often either.

+10

halloween 65 03-23-2014 04:31 AM

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I want 2 picks for the dude, Jimmy. We don't have the money. So either he plays for tag money or possibly get 2 picks if he bails.

Marlboro Man 03-23-2014 07:02 AM

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He was drafted as a TE, he made all his records as a TE, he will go down in history as the BEST TE to ever play the game. He will NEVER be a great WR. Those are the facts, and when all is said and done, JG will go into the HALL OF FAME as a TE. Time to move on Jimmy, time to move on.

vpheughan 03-23-2014 10:03 AM

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Remember when the TE moved into the backfield and instantly became an "H Back" what happened to that designation?

rezburna 03-23-2014 10:18 AM

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H Back was never a position on Madden (lol) or NFL rosters. Just the depth charts of certain teams.

xan 03-23-2014 10:42 AM

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If JG could outrun a lb, he would be a hybrid. If he could outrun a cb, he would be a wr.

Not being able to do either makes him a TE. He only lines up wide because Brees can't see him inside the pocket. If Brees was taller...

TheOak 03-24-2014 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 584880)
I totally disagree. He lines up at WR nearly 75% of the time. He can't move a DE or an OLB. Colston blocks better. He led the NFL with 16 receiving TD and caught more fade routes than anyone in the league. I say just put him at WR permanently and get a Hoby Brenner type(slow dependable receiver/blocks like a tackle) to play TE. He's as good a WR as Calvin Johnson when he's healthy.

He does not line up as a Wide Receiver. He lines up in the slot and the slot is not a position, it is a duty. WRs, TEs, RBs, all line up there during games.

Slot Receiver is not defined as a position in the CBA, if he played Center that would be a different story. Guard and Tackle are clearly defined rolls on the field, lining up in the slot is not.

That said, he was drafted as a TE, he allowed his name to be put in record books as a TE, he has answered questions about being compared to other TEs, and when he goes to meetings or practice it is with the TEs.

He has been a duck for three years, he is not a goose just because its contract time, or because he out preforms other geese.

NonieT 03-24-2014 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 584943)
If JG could outrun a lb, he would be a hybrid. If he could outrun a cb, he would be a wr.

Not being able to do either makes him a TE. He only lines up wide because Brees can't see him inside the pocket. If Brees was taller...


Jimmy is 6"7". Brees should to be able to see him from anywhere..

TheOak 03-24-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 585127)
Jimmy is 6"7". Brees should to be able to see him from anywhere..

Jimmy could be 8' tall, you still couldn't see him through 325 lbs of 6'8" Ty Nsekhe.

The building outside of my office window is 37 stories tall, i cant see it behind 5" of hand over my eyes. Its about angle and distance of object between.

SapperSaint 03-24-2014 12:04 PM

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I have kept pretty quiet about JG's contract and his pouting about being labeled as a TE.

Here's what I have to say on the subject.

Jimmy,

I will be direct and to the point. You say you're not a TE and deserve WR money. Everyone but you, your family and your agent think otherwise. You have gained fame because you have had a HoF QB throwing you the ball and a HoF Coach making sure you get the ball. Now, we all agree you are talented. We don't debate that. Ask Robert Meacham how his "game" faired when he didn't have Drew throwing him the ball.

On countless occasions you have talked about Tony Gonz being someone you look up too and how you want to be as good as he was. HE'S A TE! Gronk, IS A TE! If the money is the only thing you are chasing; fine, chase it. But don't handcuff our team just so you "can get paid". If you don't want to be labeled a TE and want WR money; fine. Prove to me you're a man and tell the NFL Records keepers to remove your name from the TE records books. After all, money means so much more than your legacy, right?

I don't fault you for trying to get paid. You have to look out for yourself and your family. Got it. I do fault you and your agent for making it seem as you are being treated unfairly.

Sincerly,
Sapper

P.S. Jimmy, You cam PM me if you would like to rebute the open letter I have typed.


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