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Compensatory picks awarded - None for Saints
The Baltimore Ravens and New York Jets each will receive four compensatory picks in this year's draft for free agents they lost in 2013.
Baltimore gets spots in the third, fourth and fifth rounds, with two choices in Round 4. Those slots are 99th, 134th, 138th and 175th. Among the free agents the Ravens lost after winning the 2012 NFL title were Ed Reed, Dannell Ellerbe, Paul Kruger and Cary Williams, all key defensive players. The Jets will get slots 139, 209, 210 and 213: a fourth-rounder and three sixth-rounders. They lost free agents Dustin Keller, Matt Slauson, Yeremiah Bell, Mike DeVito, Shonn Greene and LaRon Landry. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four. The compensatory choices can't be traded. Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Pittsburgh and St. Louis each received three compensatory picks. Cincinnati, Green Bay and Detroit got two apiece, while New England, San Francisco and the New York Giants were give one each. In all, 32 choices were awarded for the draft, which begins May 8. read more |
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Damn. I'd like to have a couple.
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Baltimore gets spots in the third, fourth and fifth rounds, with two choices in Round 4
BECAUSE Ed Reed, Dannell Ellerbe, Paul Kruger and Cary Williams, all key defensive players. ok i do not see it. it is not like these guys lit up the nlf last year. this is the one of the greatest mysteries in the NFL comp picks. I starting to wonder if it is better now a days to try play comp pick lottery than it is to do a trade. |
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From what I've been reading, if your team is getting a lot of comp picks each year then they're probably not managing their free agents well.
I'm not going to name any particular teams so as not to embarrass their fans... falcons |
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When have the Falcons ever been smart in the offseason? |
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Hence the problem is the subjective component of the "value" of the player lost...
Ed Reed is a shell of his former self; and in the explanation for determining net gain/loss none of the new free agent signatories by the Ravens were mentioned, accounted, including Elvis Dumervil... Baltimore has been awarded more picks in the compensatory picks history; which begs the question - do they have some insight that no other team has?!? Another curiousity, Dallas received a 7round pick for Kenyon Coleman; the same player who did not play a down for the Saints and is now retired... Paul Kruger was considered Baltimore's biggest loss and such was presumably awarded a 3round pick for said player - I bring this up because Pittsburgh (whom I have no love for) was probably awarded a fifth for the loss of Keenan Lewis; so I ask, who was the better player and biggest loss to their team last season?!? Rare Moment Coming: I'd side with Steelers fans on this one, even if I wasn't a Saints fan... Yet the Steelers got a 3 rounder for some guy playing in Miami?!? Ravens (4 picks): Round Three (99), Round Four (134), Round Four (138), Round Five (175). Yet the Ravens signed Chris Canty, Elvis Dumervil, James Ihedigbo, Michael Huff, Marcus Spears and Joe Flacco (and yes, you should count free agents that were already with your team as they were free agents)... Jets (4 picks): Round Four (137), Round Six (209), Round Six (210), Round Six (213). Now I mentioned Ed Reed earlier; if the NFL considered him such a valuable player and loss for the Ravens, why was he not factored in the equation for the Jets in the net gain/loss scenario?!? He sucked it for the Texans because he got his pay day and when cut and signed by the Jets he turned in a veteran, albeit physically limited performance; so the Texans take the hit, but not the J-E-T-S?!? Steelers (3 picks): Round Three (97), Round Five (173), Round Six (215). Mike Wallace and Keenan Lewis were the big losses here; presumably, the 97th pick was for Wallace and the 173rd pick was for Lewis; again, who would you assess was the bigger loss for the Steelers after Emanuel Lewis emerged for the Steelers and yet their defense became ordinary with Keenan Lewis' departure... My problem with this system is two-fold; one, who are the bone-in-nose Madison Avenue witch doctors and what set of bone dice are they rolling behind the NFL's Emerald curtain that Baltimore is awarded so many compensatory picks each year?!? Second, should an NFL team be awarded draft picks for allowing free agents, if in fact, they are so good?!? In the Salary Cap ere, shouldn't teams be "encouraged" to retain those players?!? If Paul Kruger was such a good player, why did Ozzie Newsome not pay? And If Oz felt the value wasn't there for the player, why should the NFL feel different and award a third round pick?!? |
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The whole things stupidity.
The Saints signed Lewis and two players that didnt play a down yet lost Ellis and Bushrod. No team shpuld be getting the amount of picks the Ravens get just because they do not pay there FA enough to stay. |
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(NOT) a big surprise.
Have the Saints EVER got a compensatory pick since the system went into effect? I sure don't remember one. Although I also don't remember the league giving us a lot more than two middle fingers since the reign of Emperor Goodell began... |
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I wouldn't expect any. We always plug holes in free-agency and Mickey has a knack for keeping good players in the Black and Gold.
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We lost Bushrod and Ellis and Signed Harolson and Lewis... Its a wash.... No compensation needed.
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I agree...the system needs work...I feel that there should be a legitimate attempt by the team to retain their top free agents. If another team beats that offer and the player chooses to sign elsewhere then a compensatory pick should be awarded. If you are in cap hell and can't make it work to offer a contract then oh well....the way it is currently structured is BS...and any player acquired should count except for trades...I don't care if the player was cut or signed as a free agent it should still count...this is just some BS system that allows the league to manipulate the team that Goodell likes...Its called Free Agency for a reason...they made the decision to let them walk....since they are so good at 'developing talent' then give them 6th and 7th round picks...those player weren't taken from them...they let them walk....
Sorry....Im done with my rant...lol http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry018.gif |
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But you're right in that the NFL Voodudes are counting Keenan Lewis, Victor Butler, and Kenyon Coleman against us... My issue is the compensation that Baltimore got over some of the other teams... Cut players don't factor either; what I disagree with is the NFL doesn't factor players signed that were cut by other teams - that's bullshinski... If they're cut, then they're a free agent; and Baltimore signed free agents to replace their "losses"... Ozzie is the NFL's poster boy for GMs who went through their mgt program and their favoritism is evident... |
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This may help clarify. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...tory-picks.pdf Then again, it may not. |
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For example, The Ravens have had 35 more draft picks than the Browns over the last 20 years. They're in the same division and Baltimore has had much more success over that time span than Cleveland. That seems to me like too much of an advantage when the Browns haven't done anything wrong. |
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The Browns have not done anything right either.
I think teams should only get a maximum of one or two picks personally. The Ravens refuse to pay FA knowing they get multiple extra picks. If you are getting say two 5th round comp picks you can trade your original 5th rounder for a better pick the next year so you benefit more from comp picks. I think its a poor process. Two of our FA that stopped us getting a puck never played so why should that be held against the team. |
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"Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula. " Baltimore having had more success is evidence that Baltimore has been letting better players go. |
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As far as for the Saints compensatory picks... Which free agents have we let go that went to a new team and received a high salary, played the full season, and had post season honors, in comparison to how many we have taken on?
We generally get better than we give up. It is all about loss of value, and not so much a 1-1 free agent swap. |
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I also feel we get shafted with this process.
Perhaps just shows we make out by upgrading positions / players when we lose some FA. I think the whole process should be scrapped. I mean if you lose a player its your fault, deal with it. I also feel its better to just lose a player without trade because your comp pick will be higher that the trade. |
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Compensatory compensatory. I like saying that word. Never really understand the explanation of how the NFL uses it at random (it seems).
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Well since its all based on the previous year then next year we should get like 4 or 5 right??
We lost Smith, Vilma, Harper, Jenkins, & Moore just to name a few. We also did not receive anything from them. |
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If they go to another team, sign for 60m, play 16 games and are, pro-bowl, all pro.... We get comp... But then you have to ask why in the heck we let that player go... Not getting comp picks just tells me we cut fat, not players that go somewhere else and play better. When the happens Loomis brings in A FA signing that accounts for the talent/value loss and it is a wash. In other words, we do not shoot our selves in the foot to get a 4th round comp pick. |
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The value is also based on past honors... For instance, say New England elects not to resign Tom Brady when he turns 43 and his contract expires; Brady then decides, I'm gonna play for one season in Los Angeles even though he can't throw the ball thirty yards; should New England get a third round pick, because under the current formula, they most likely would... I'm not upset the Saints didn't get anything; but I see other teams lose players that clearly have more value the next season than what Baltimore or New York lost; or they're getting picks ahead of our own for minimal losses at best... |
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What I do not think people realize is that no players that are cut or traded qualify. If has to be a player that went into free agency and was picked up by another team. They are also not considering that if say Jimmy Graham walked this season we would get nothing because the Byrd signing off-set that loss of value. We are on the giving end of some Compensatory picks however, Lewis earned Pittsburgh one, Byrd will earn Buffalo one.:bng: |
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So we'll get one for Sproles next year.
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Ok, Now I'm lost.
Darren Sproles to Eagles via trade from Saints - ESPN "Running back Darren Sproles, who Wednesday expressed a desire to be released by the New Orleans Saints, was traded to the Philadelphia Eagles on Thursday for a fifth-round draft pick." |
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So wait. The NFL just give away comp picks even if they aren't earned in a trade? Why have I never heard of this? And where's our piece of the pie?
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Ok, answered my own question....FA only. Trades don't count.
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I think the Saints should be fined a draft pick for not using the system in place. :roll:
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Yup. There's death, taxes and the Saints not getting a compensatory pick.
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Take my first round draft pick in the Saints mock draft as punishment. |
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We only lost Jenkins, Herring, Johnson and Collins, We gained Byrd and Lorig. So basically the difference is Herring and Johnson, both back-ups. Maybe they throw us a couple 7th's? Maybe Brown and DLP sign somewhere and we'd get a couple 3rd's? |
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It's more scientific than you guys are saying. We don't get 'screwed' every year, we just sign the same number that get signed away.
here is an in depth look if you are really bored: 1. Lost players that are cut or not tendered as RFAs and ERFAs do not qualify. 2. Lost players that were picked up during the season the year before do not qualify. 3. Signed players that are released before midseason do not qualify. 4. Players earning low minimum salaries do not qualify. 5. Each player signed cancels out one player lost. 6. The round of the pick awarded is primarily determined by the annual value of the contract signed. Signed players cancel out lost players with equal contracts, then lower contracts, before canceling out higher contracts. 2014 NFL compensatory pick projections |
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It just goes to show that players play there best football in New Orleans. ie. Drew Brees, Tracy Porter, Keenan Lewis, Darren Sharper, Robert Meachum... The list goes on.
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There was actually a segment in the Sunday Times Picayune called "Ex-Saint of the Week". How many of you guys remember that? |
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