Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 586198)

I can't handle how quiet its been! I need some Saints news! Anything!!!

Are the Saints looking to sign a player? What about draft prospects? Did someone break a damn fingernail or stub their toe?!!! Cmon!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586202)

Re-read the 257 page Draft thread, or the 237 page mock draft thread, or the 212 page Jimmy Graham contract thread.

Of course its only about 3 or 4 people posting, but oh well.

That should keep you busy for about a week.
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586202)

Re-read the 257 page Draft thread, or the 237 page mock draft thread, or the 212 page Jimmy Graham contract thread.



Of course its only about 3 or 4 people posting, but oh well.



That should keep you busy for about a week.



Also, review old game recordings. You can learn a lot. For instance...



1- Even though Roman Harper played great in coverage 90% of the time, the 2 or 3 games he made a bad play in apparently translates to "being abused constantly"



2- Getting hit by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage facing 8 man fronts time and time again is apparently the RB's fault.



3- Grubbs getting knocked on his ass 3 times all season apparently means he gets run over all of the time.



4-Strief grading out as our best O-lineman for the entire season apparently means he's garbage.



5-Even though Ingram looked great and averaged over 4 YPC, its really just 2 YPC.



6-Even though we set NFL records year after year without Graham, its apparent that he's the reason for all of our offensive prowess.



7-Even though we have a top 3 QB and likely hall of famer throwing the ball and setting passing records left and right, apparently we must return to a power run game.



8-Even though most experts would agree we have a top 5 NFL team in terms of talent, apparently we have "glaring holes" at several positions.



9-Apparently if a position is not manned by a pro-bowl player, you have a glaring weakness (Roman Harper was the exception).



10-If you re-read the threads from last year, and a few before that, pertaining to Drews successor, this is probably Drews last year before he becomes a liability and must be replaced.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 586210)

You left out the trading trifecta....
Up, Down, Jimmy.

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586211)

I'm sure it's not the only thing I left out.

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586202)

1- Even though Roman Harper played great in coverage 90% of the time, the 2 or 3 games he made a bad play in apparently translates to "being abused constantly"

Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 586232)

Sounds like your in a fighting mood.... Or at least a little miffed about some of the things you saw on tape.

I'll bite. 5 million dollar Harper even restructured or Kenny Vaccaro.... Um im takin Kenny.... It wasn't just Harper who the punishment was levied upon.

you will see massive improvement in that area with a Center who can push the pocket, and a healthy OL....

Had a good season, but he could use a restructure.

I feel the same way about Ingram that I feel about Meacham, and Robinson..... not enough production from where they were picked... I think that is more than fair. Lets for fun sake say Ingram breaks out like we all want him to. Cam and Ingram's rookie deals end next season. 1 will get big money and 1 wont. So I'll ask. Ingram or Jordan. In the event that it is Jordan and not Ingram what will you get once he hits the market....





How bout we return to a power running game, or and actual running game during the season.... and let a fresher less arm stressed Brees takes us the rest of the way.... Your not ..... not throwing the ball as much as you are adding years on to that surgically repaired arm...

Even the most talented team has holes... We need a Center.. A number 2 corner. We also need to figure out where our depth is on the OLine, and behind Junyah I would even grab Jonathan Goodwin while we figured it out.

I can't wait for you to see him in a different uniform.... watch us exploit everything he does wrong... and then say he's a pro bowler....

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586202)

Re-read the 257 page Draft thread, or the 237 page mock draft thread, or the 212 page Jimmy Graham contract thread.
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Also, review old game recordings. You can learn a lot. For instance...

1- Even though Roman Harper played great in coverage 90% of the time, the 2 or 3 games he made a bad play in apparently translates to "being abused constantly"

You represent at least 90% of the people who believe that. Every NFL scout disagrees, on top of the vast majority of fans.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586238)

Well I side with his coaches, so I'm feeling pretty good about my view of him.

Most fans don't know the difference between a Strong Safety and a Free Safety.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586240)

I know the difference quite well. Roman Harper was not asked to cover Calvin Johnson. He was asked to perform exactly the kind of coverage duties that all strong safeties have to do. And he stunk at it the majority of the time.

What makes you believe the Saints agree with you? Did they ever say he was great in coverage? Did they not just release him?

They kept him around this long because for years they invested nothing into the defense and didn't view his position as a priority. He was used as an extra linebacker for all intents and purposes, and everyone knows that. If he were "great" in coverage 90% of the time, they would not have drafted a safety in the first round last year, and spent 58 million or whatever it was on a another this year. They could have just kept the crap they already had.

But evidently, the Saints identified a problem and have finally decided to do something about it.

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586239)

I know the difference quite well. Roman Harper was not asked to cover Calvin Johnson. He was asked to perform exactly the kind of coverage duties that all strong safeties have to do. And he stunk at it the majority of the time.

What makes you believe the Saints agree with you? Did they ever say he was great in coverage? Did they not just release him?

They kept him around this long because for years they invested nothing into the defense and didn't view his position as a priority. He was used as an extra linebacker for all intents and purposes, and everyone knows that. If he were "great" in coverage 90% of the time, they would not have drafted a safety in the first round last year, and spent 58 million or whatever it was on a another this year. They could have just kept the crap they already had.

But evidently, the Saints identified a problem and have finally decided to do something about it.

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 586241)

Why are you two still bickering like two old women about players not on the team anymore?

Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one... You're just wasting your time arguing with Danno when Harper isn't even on the team anymore...

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586243)

Thank you mitch, I'll remember to check with you first to see if it's alright to comment next time.

Let me explain something to you. When a team invests as much as this team has the last two years in upgrading it's safeties, it is not a moot point to bring up the struggles of Harper or Jenkins. It pertains to the conversation. But more importantly, why are you worried about two people who aren't talking to you? If what we're talking about doesn't matter then why are you even reading this, much less replying to it?

I'll tell you why. Because you're obviously bored like everyone else. I, for one, will talk about any player in the entire league if I so desire at any given moment.

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586242)

I disagree that he stunk at it the majority of the time. He started for 4 different coordinators, made two pro-bowls, earned more game balls than anyone else on our defense under Gregg Williams. He was a classic SS that was too often a scapegoat for every problem this defense had.

When used as a strong safety, he played well. He was nowhere near as bad as many made him out to be. He's obviously not as good now as he used to be and his salary exceeded his contributions. Lance Moore was also released, did he suck? Jed Collins was released, did he suck? Scott Fujita was let go, did he suck? Jonathan Vilma wasn't resigned, at one time he was one of the best MLB's in the league, I guess he sucked too? We let Chris Ivory walk, did he suck? Joique Bell? Did he suck? Reggie Bush?

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 586245)

Harper was a very good in the box strong safety, why do you think the team invested so much in him in the first place? Could it be that at the time he was great where Gregg Williams loved to play him?

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586246)

And by the way, Reggie was traded, not released.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586247)

I just finished saying that he was good at the line of scrimmage. But that's not where any DB is supposed to spend the majority of his snaps playing at.

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 586249)

Reggie would have been released a week later, regardless...

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586251)

Says who?

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 586250)

Tell that to Kam Chancellor and the Seahawks :rolleyes: That's all they play is single high safety with their strong safety in the box... Or how about the Steelers, Polamalo is in the box all the time

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 586255)

Again; it doesn't matter... Harper is the Panthers problem now, it might be more productive for you to go argue with them about him :rofl:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586256)

You're not a hypocrite are you?

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 586257)

Nope; find it kind of fun to see you getting all worked up about it though :mrgreen:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586259)

I'm not worked up, Mitch, I have much bigger problems to be worked up about. I'm responding to what I see as pitiful replies by you. I'm guessing you don't smile as much as your emoticons would indicate. Your comments give me an impression of you being childish and short sided. Always trying to "top" what someone else says. But you haven't given much in the way of real insight.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 586247)

I just finished saying that he was good at the line of scrimmage. But that's not where any DB is supposed to spend the majority of his snaps playing at. That leaves a hole downfield at all times, hoping that he gets to the quarterback.