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B_Dub_Saint 04-03-2014 05:32 PM

Tall Corners VS Shorter Corners
 
I just watched a highlight clip on Jason Verrett. He was featured in a piece in PFT on NBC. He's only 5'9 but has a lot of speed and is very instinctive.

Im torn in this situation because I know height is not everything and each player is different. For example, P.Rod is not very tall and so far I have not seen a lot of production from him. I have seen a glimpse of skill from him but nothing like Vaccaro and his impact that was made.

I guess my point is would ya'll rather have a smaller CB next to Lewis, or another Lewis type corner that can hang with big receivers?

|Mitch| 04-03-2014 05:38 PM

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I'd rather a taller(bigger) corner who can press the receiver; Lewis is pretty good at pressing as is White and Robinson is decent from what I remember...

Danno 04-03-2014 05:45 PM

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Revis is only 5-11, he has no problem. Greer was also 5-11.

If they have a great vertical and long arms, an inch or two doesn't really matter.

The top 10 CB prospects in this years draft average 5-11.

I wouldn't disqualify a 5-10 CB, but they better have long arms, cover like a glove, and be able to jump thru the roof.

I also feel like Goodell will put an end to the muggings like Seattle got away with.

Typically tall CB's just don't have the hip flip and quickness that shorter CB's do.

B_Dub_Saint 04-03-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586761)
Revis is only 5-11, he has no problem. Greer was also 5-11.

If they have a great vertical and long arms, an inch or two doesn't really matter.

The top 10 CB prospects in this years draft average 5-11.

I wouldn't disqualify a 5-10 CB, but they better have long arms, cover like a glove, and be able to jump thru the roof.

I also feel like Goodell will put an end to the muggings like Seattle got away with.

Typically tall CB's just don't have the hip flip and quickness that shorter CB's do.

I agree with all of your points D and I also believe the vertical is a huge part in an overall CB. If the guy is 5,9 but can dunk like Lebron, bring him on. I think the benefit with smaller corners are that they are typically faster and the footwork is as well.

My only concern is just getting straight man handled by big receivers like Megatron reverting back to my previous statement of being torn.

What a tangled web we weave in this life :p

Utah_Saint 04-03-2014 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 586761)

I also feel like Goodell will put an end to the muggings like Seattle got away with.

I gotta believe the league has to crack down on the holding. There have been too many articles pointing it out and Dilfer is challenging the league publically. He's telling anyone that will listen the Seahawks are cheating because Goodall doesn't have the quevoes to do anything about it.

As far as tall vs. short, I think talent and physical ability far outweigh the advantage height might bring. There's been some pretty good "short" corners.

WhoDatFan26 04-03-2014 10:41 PM

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Remember with the system Rob Ryan runs its beneficial to have big corners because they can physically handle the receivers when left on an island and also tackle when needed. Not to say a small corner can't do the same but there is a reason why they chased Nmamdi twice.

Luda34 04-03-2014 10:45 PM

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In just our division we need taller corner we have to cover White and Jones from Atlanta, Lafell from Carolina, and Williams from Tampa so I would want a taller more physical player. We've always had corners under 6' tall it's time to make change.

Utah_Saint 04-03-2014 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Luda34 (Post 586809)
In just our division we need taller corner we have to cover White and Jones from Atlanta, Lafell from Carolina, and Williams from Tampa so I would want a taller more physical player. We've always had corners under 6' tall it's time to make change.

Don't worry about Lafell from Carolina. We're good.

:)

Luda34 04-03-2014 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 586810)
Don't worry about Lafell from Carolina. We're good.

:)

Damn forgot he went to New England

rezburna 04-04-2014 12:03 AM

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Tall corners are susceptible to the double move, because as Danno said, they don't have the same quickness (You can get Richard Sherman with the double move pretty consistently). I was a tall corner being 6'0" tall, and I definitely preferred covering the big receivers. Because the small, quick ones were ridiculously hard for me to deal with without giving them some cushion or getting my hands on them from the jump. With that said, the top receivers in the league are big guys, so we need big corners. When corners start getting to big or too good at handling the taller receivers, they'll go back to smaller receivers and so on and so forth. It's a cycle. But 5'11" is good enough. Jabari Greer never played 5'11" to me. More like 5'8". I can just remember how great he looked when he first got here though....anyways...we'll get corner situated I'm sure.

dizzle88 04-04-2014 03:44 AM

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Look at brent grimes, he's only like 5"7 at best and he has decent interception totals and a very good vertical jump

I don't think you can say smaller/bigger corners are susceptible to this and that - jason david was around 5"9 and got burnt all the time, patrick peterson is 6"1 maybe 6"2 and has some of the fastest feet and change of direction I've seen in a while

it all depends on the player, not their physical attributes

hagan714 04-04-2014 05:33 AM

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do they have the control of their athletic ability in the end to make a play on the ball no matter who they are covering.

can the guy cover or not? that is all it really boils down to.

it is up to the DC to get the proper match ups each and every time.

TheOak 04-04-2014 05:51 AM

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Physicality and athleticism are more important than height.

6'1" but can't get in the air or isn't physical enough isn't going to do much against Gronk, Graham, etc...

brees84 04-04-2014 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Luda34 (Post 586809)
In just our division we need taller corner we have to cover White and Jones from Atlanta, Lafell from Carolina, and Williams from Tampa so I would want a taller more physical player. We've always had corners under 6' tall it's time to make change.

Bills have traded 6th rounder for Williams.

lee909 04-04-2014 10:55 AM

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Thats a good deal for the Bills.

cobbraking 04-04-2014 11:16 AM

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Yea I agree with both of y'all but usually the top CB which in this case is Keenan Lewis will stick people like megatron Dez Bryant and Larry Fitzgerald. The second CB usually stick the not so big receivers that are less of a problem. The only team we will have a problem with is Atlanta with Roddy White and Julio Jones to big receivers. But looking at the teams we will play this year we should be fine because the AFC North isn't as good as the were before.

TheOak 04-04-2014 12:05 PM

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This has the same feel as the tall vs short QB debate.

Rugby Saint II 04-08-2014 11:35 AM

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When Payton first came to town he brought in tons of CB's. Not so much lately though. Maybe he needs to rethink his priorities.

|Mitch| 04-08-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 587618)
When Payton first came to town he brought in tons of CB's. Not so much lately though. Maybe he needs to rethink his priorities.

looks like Rob has had his hands all over this offseason... :bng: we have signed 4 new dbs and resigned 1...

Jack Vegas 04-08-2014 11:52 AM

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We have big corners already. What we don't have is a quick, agile guy who can cover those squirty little slot receivers and has a nose for the ball. Fred Thomas was about as tough and instinctive as anybody I've ever seen so it didn't much matter that he was only 5-9.

|Mitch| 04-08-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 587626)
We have big corners already. What we don't have is a quick, agile guy who can cover those squirty little slot receivers and has a nose for the ball. Fred Thomas was about as tough and instinctive as anybody I've ever seen so it didn't much matter that he was only 5-9.

Derrius Brooks - 5' 10"; 192 lbs.; 4.34 40 fast enough for you?

Jack Vegas 04-08-2014 12:00 PM

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If he can play; we don't know anything about him yet.

|Mitch| 04-08-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 587630)
If he can play; we don't know anything about him yet.

They signed him to a 2 year deal so apparently they saw something they liked

voodooido 04-08-2014 12:05 PM

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Kinda like saying do you like big boobs or small boobs. Well, I like both! Honey Badger played great last year and he is 5'9. Cason played well and he is 5'9. Like big boobs I prefer big corners but small boobs( like small corners) can be just as fun!


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