New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

Same thing could have been said about Brees

New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey

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Using 2013 stats huh?

Clueless boob.

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"hay" ??

http://i.imgur.com/cBtHsn4.jpg

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So their main argument is that last year Bailey fared less well than Corey White when one was covering #1 WR's and the other was covering #3 and 4 WR's until injuries forced him higher on the depth chart?!

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

I think the article raises some valid concerns, re: Bailey's play last year. But it also depends on the supposition that we're paying him too much, based on a figure of 2 years/7 million. The problem with that is 7 million is the max, not the actual number. Unless he becomes the Champ Bailey of old and starts making Pro Bowls and All-Pro teams again his actual pay is likely to be much lower than 7 million.

Also, if worst case scenario Bailey is slightly less effective than Corey White was last year, I think that's a big win for us. White was extremely good down the stretch.

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

If he does play like the Champ of old, then we just won 100 mil on the penny slots8-)

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i do not see Champ starting at all. he is a veteran that will do spot duty and will be a player coach IMO. This is not the first time the saints have done this. odds are champ will not collect the big bucks in the contract but he stands a good chance at getting that ring,

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Will Osgood?

And his opinion rates higher than Sean and Loomie...because why, again?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

:brood:

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Champ fought foot injuries all last year, so going off last years stats is a mute argument :rolleyes:

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

So.... We now have 3 that fight Plantar Fasciitis?

Fantastic.

Championship!

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The guy's main argument is that we could have had Jabari Greer back for around the same amount of money...now I love Greer but he is not going to be playing any football this year, for anybody, because of his injury and his age, just you watch...that was a Captain Picard face palm moment when he said that, for sure....

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

That article is a soup sandwich of confusion..

Here is a "factoid" that is based on "likely", which can be "easily explained away", but "doesn't prove anything inherently". Is a 'factoid" that doesn't prove anything inherently a factoid?

Wanting is invaluable and unquestionable but willing isn't a good way to determine future success.

As far as the 2/7m.. Thats 3.5m/year and at this stage in Baileys career Loomis has likely made a good bit of that performance based and LTBE.

He wasn't jetted from Denver because he was bad, he was jetted because he isn't 10m/year good...

Sharper was 34 when he came to New Orleans with 12 years of NFL mileage on him. Champ Bailey is 35 with 14 years of NFL mileage on him.

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My thoughts exactly... A very discombobulated articled on many levels.

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Yep. And Jabari Greer never has been, nor will he ever be on the level of a Champ Bailey.

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Whatever! :roll:

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

Besides Jimmy Graham, who is the other one?

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

Colston?

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Hartley as well, although he's no longer with the team.

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

Sorry, Make that 4!
Colston
Graham
Ingram - Turf toe (Close Enough :D)
Bailey

Aw hell, I am researching now.
5!
Byrd

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

What the HAY?

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

According to Coach, they all "have a foot", therefore your argument is valid.

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

Can we terminate McMahon and hire a Podiatrist instead?

Better value.

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Cant wait till all the haters eat their shoe after he shows up and balls out this year.

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Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

He will see playing time. If he hasn't lost too much of a step, he should see a good bit of playing time.

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someone save this story. We'll want to attack this person at the end of the Superbowl win

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

It's a little premature to think we know right now.

Champ is going to be Drew's main target in 1v1s furring camp.

If he gets roasted in the offseason hell get released. If he doesn't we will see a good bit of him.

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Champ Baileys contract details.

2years / 3.75m 500k Signing Bonus $500k guaranteed

Year Base S. Bonus ......Misc. .......Cap Hit Dead
2014 1,000,000 250,000 - 1,250,000 -
2015 1,500,000 250,000 500,000 2,250,000 -
2016 UFA

2014 Roster Bonus (active 6 games): $250,000 (NLTBE)
2015 Roster Bonus (5th league day) : $250,000
2015 Roster Bonus (Week 1): $250,000
Annual Incentive: $150,000
Pro Bowl: $150,000
Playing Time Incentive: $1.2 million

Most of it is incentive and bonus based.

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

We freakin stole him!

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

Yep!


Essentially...

We got a crappy Champ Bailey for $500k... and cut him with minimal loss if he doesn't pan out.

or

We got a Pro-Bpwl caliber Champ Bailey for 1.8m/year

Re: New Orleans Saints hay have made a mistake signing Champ Bailey
 

Where do year end incentive bonuses fall, in this year or next? I don't mean just for Bailey, but everyone?

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Not sure if I completely understand the question but they should fall into that respective year.

The roster bonuses fall into their respective years.
The pro-bowl, play-time, and Annual will also fall into their respective years as those are not identified as year specific.

The grayish area is the NLTBE (Not Likely to be earned)
*2014 Roster Bonus (active 6 games): $250,000 (NLTBE) <-- This one for instance is NLTBE so it doesn't hit the cap unless he is active for a 6th game, then it hits that years cap.

Was I close?

Ill guess that Loomis was very careful to word things correctly (NLTBE) and ensure that our cap doesn't bear any weight until it has to.

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That helps, and leads me to this what if: It is the end of regular season and we are 500,000 under the cap. Bailey earns 1.45 mill in bonuses. How do we pay it? Do we have to cut someone?
That's why I asked what year the hit falls in

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Only the bonuses that are NLTBE are not counted towards the cap. The rest count towards the cap right now so we are covered.

Theoretically you could say if we have $1 in cap space that could put us over and cause us to be penalized but Loomis never gets that close.

When you see me hemming and hawing saying that 2m in cap space means no cap space this is a small part of the reason. The rest is that between right now and start of the season we will have a minimum of $4m in signings between practice squad, the drafted players, and +2.

+2 is because right now it's a 51 player soft cap, the lowest two team salaries are not counted yet. Rookie minimum * 2....