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Jack Vegas 04-18-2014 11:33 AM

Meachem signed
 
New Orleans Saints re-sign WR Robert Meachem to a one-year deal

Good with this. He's cheap, he can block and Drew trusts him.

Danno 04-18-2014 11:34 AM

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No harm, he still has to make the team.

Rugby Saint II 04-18-2014 11:50 AM

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We may be fielding a lot of inexperience at the wide receiver position this season. We may draft more than one receiver this year and we still have a couple of spots coming off IR. It will be good to have his veteran leadership plus he still stretches the field.
Like Danno says he still has to make the team.

The Dude 04-18-2014 11:50 AM

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Can't hurt.

|Mitch| 04-18-2014 12:56 PM

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Vet minimum, I'm guessing?

ScottF 04-18-2014 01:32 PM

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Look at it this way- keep him around as insurance, and give him a chance. Morgan is a question mark followed by three exclamation marks, and Toon is Toon.

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-18-2014 01:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 589029)
We may be fielding a lot of inexperience at the wide receiver position this season. We may draft more than one receiver this year and we still have a couple of spots coming off IR. It will be good to have his veteran leadership plus he still stretches the field.
Like Danno says he still has to make the team.

Can someone explain exactly what I'm missing in terms of the Saints and the wide receiver position? Throughout the offseason the vibe I've been getting is that we suddenly became the KittyKats and that we have no one to catch the ball.

Colston and Stills were the starters last year. They were productive. They are both back. Meachem is resigned. So is Morgan, who is back from injury. Toon is going into his third year and may finally have production that matches his talent.

Saints backs caught a ton of balls. Adding another receiver isn't going to change that. Let's not forget that Reggie Bush caught a record number of balls out of the backfield his first couple of seasons here. Last year both Thomas and Sproles caught over 70 balls each. Just because Sproles is gone doesn't mean that the law firm (Thomas, Ingram, Robinson, and Cadet) are still not going to have a ton of balls thrown to them.

Jimmy Graham. Enough said.

So given that climate, why is there such a fixation on wide receivers? If Morgan and/or Mechem are anywhere close to their latest production, then it's going to be tough for any rookie to get anything other than the occasional snap in the #3 WR spot.

Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

SFIAH

Danno 04-18-2014 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589044)
Can someone explain exactly what I'm missing in terms of the Saints and the wide receiver position? Throughout the offseason the vibe I've been getting is that we suddenly became the KittyKats and that we have no one to catch the ball.

Colston and Stills were the starters last year. They were productive. They are both back. Meachem is resigned. So is Morgan, who is back from injury. Toon is going into his third year and may finally have production that matches his talent.

Saints backs caught a ton of balls. Adding another receiver isn't going to change that. Let's not forget that Reggie Bush caught a record number of balls out of the backfield his first couple of seasons here. Last year both Thomas and Sproles caught over 70 balls each. Just because Sproles is gone doesn't mean that the law firm (Thomas, Ingram, Robinson, and Cadet) are still not going to have a ton of balls thrown to them.

Jimmy Graham. Enough said.

So given that climate, why is there such a fixation on wide receivers? If Morgan and/or Mechem are anywhere close to their latest production, then it's going to be tough for any rookie to get anything other than the occasional snap in the #3 WR spot.

Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

SFIAH

My guesses
1. Colston is aging, its unknown how much stud he has left in him.
2. We lost Lance Moore
3. Joe Morgan is fragile and can't be counted on to last a whole season
4. We lost Darren Sproles, another versatile WR like OBJ could take some of those gadet plays.
5. Toon looked like the game was too big for him, with some ugly plays.
6. Meachem looks to have maybe lost a step and at this point is a part time player, with emphasis on part-time.
7. Ingram and Robinson look to get more carries, neither has proven to be the pass catching RB's that Pierre and Sproles were.
8. Cadet is an unknown.

Basically we have 2 WR's that look to be solid. Everyone else raises cause for concern.

Papa Voodoo 04-18-2014 02:25 PM

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Cadet can catch as well as Pierre so while not as great as it was we can still run the offense with the RBs catching balls. Meach is a good #3 and has been very durable. Tanner may finally get on the field. I agree that Morgan is the biggest ? and I won't even count him in until we start the season. I think we all agree we're drafting 1-2 WRs this year. It's nice that we don't have to reach for one though.

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-18-2014 02:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 589029)
We may be fielding a lot of inexperience at the wide receiver position this season. We may draft more than one receiver this year and we still have a couple of spots coming off IR. It will be good to have his veteran leadership plus he still stretches the field.
Like Danno says he still has to make the team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589044)
Can someone explain exactly what I'm missing in terms of the Saints and the wide receiver position? Throughout the offseason the vibe I've been getting is that we suddenly became the KittyKats and that we have no one to catch the ball.

Colston and Stills were the starters last year. They were productive. They are both back. Meachem is resigned. So is Morgan, who is back from injury. Toon is going into his third year and may finally have production that matches his talent.

Saints backs caught a ton of balls. Adding another receiver isn't going to change that. Let's not forget that Reggie Bush caught a record number of balls out of the backfield his first couple of seasons here. Last year both Thomas and Sproles caught over 70 balls each. Just because Sproles is gone doesn't mean that the law firm (Thomas, Ingram, Robinson, and Cadet) are still not going to have a ton of balls thrown to them.

Jimmy Graham. Enough said.

So given that climate, why is there such a fixation on wide receivers? If Morgan and/or Mechem are anywhere close to their latest production, then it's going to be tough for any rookie to get anything other than the occasional snap in the #3 WR spot.

Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

SFIAH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 589046)
My guesses
1. Colston is aging, its unknown how much stud he has left in him.
2. We lost Lance Moore
3. Joe Morgan is fragile and can't be counted on to last a whole season
4. We lost Darren Sproles, another versatile WR like OBJ could take some of those gadet plays.
5. Toon looked like the game was too big for him, with some ugly plays.
6. Meachem looks to have maybe lost a step and at this point is a part time player, with emphasis on part-time.
7. Ingram and Robinson look to get more carries, neither has proven to be the pass catching RB's that Pierre and Sproles were.
8. Cadet is an unknown.

Basically we have 2 WR's that look to be solid. Everyone else raises cause for concern.

I'm all for restocking if it's a best player available situation. But considering that pretty much every receiver outside of Colston and Stills were part time last year (including Moore) defining WR as a need seems to be an overreach.

My concern would be at the RB position. The Saints offense is driven by misdirection. It stagnates when a back in the backfield isn't a multiple threat. It looked to me that Ingram caught a couple of nice balls last year. I hope Robinson can be trained up to do so.

SFIAH

The Dude 04-18-2014 02:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589044)
Can someone explain exactly what I'm missing in terms of the Saints and the wide receiver position? Throughout the offseason the vibe I've been getting is that we suddenly became the KittyKats and that we have no one to catch the ball.

Colston and Stills were the starters last year. They were productive. They are both back. Meachem is resigned. So is Morgan, who is back from injury. Toon is going into his third year and may finally have production that matches his talent.

Saints backs caught a ton of balls. Adding another receiver isn't going to change that. Let's not forget that Reggie Bush caught a record number of balls out of the backfield his first couple of seasons here. Last year both Thomas and Sproles caught over 70 balls each. Just because Sproles is gone doesn't mean that the law firm (Thomas, Ingram, Robinson, and Cadet) are still not going to have a ton of balls thrown to them.

Jimmy Graham. Enough said.

So given that climate, why is there such a fixation on wide receivers? If Morgan and/or Mechem are anywhere close to their latest production, then it's going to be tough for any rookie to get anything other than the occasional snap in the #3 WR spot.

Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

SFIAH

Exactly what Danno said.
We basically have 2 legit starting Wrs in Colston and Graham. Colston is getting old and both have history with injuries. If they go down it will be up to Toon, Stills, and Morgan.
I don't think Toon is going to pan out. I just don't think he is NFL material much less stratum material.
Stills had a good season and looks to be legit but he's raw and could benefit from more experience.
Morgan has shown flashes but he has also made some big mistakes and is still a ?? Coming off injury.
Meachem can help but WR is a position of serious need. More so than people think.
If Colston and Graham get hurt we are screwed.

Crusader 04-18-2014 02:58 PM

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He knows the system, still has decent speed and is cheap. What's not to like?

saintfan 04-18-2014 03:00 PM

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Happy to have him back and still hoping the BPA at #27 is a WR.

Crusader 04-18-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 589060)
He knows the system, still has decent speed and is cheap. What's not to like?

And maybe most importantly. Drew is familiar with him.

jnormand 04-18-2014 03:44 PM

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No prob with this. Nice to have him back.

TheOak 04-18-2014 04:17 PM

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TheOak 04-18-2014 04:20 PM

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The concerns with last years receiving corps.

1. How Morgan is back and healthy..... AGAIN.... and AGAIN.

2. Colstons never ending foot story.

3. Stills played very well.

4. Toon dropsies.

5. Morgan healthy AGAIN.... and

6. At times all were fairly shut out, even the Ginger Giant.

7. and he is healthy AGAIN...

TheOak 04-18-2014 04:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589048)
I'm all for restocking if it's a best player available situation. But considering that pretty much every receiver outside of Colston and Stills were part time last year (including Moore) defining WR as a need seems to be an overreach.



My concern would be at the RB position. The Saints offense is driven by misdirection. It stagnates when a back in the backfield isn't a multiple threat. It looked to me that Ingram caught a couple of nice balls last year. I hope Robinson can be trained up to do so.



SFIAH


It's a want, not a need. We have very few true needs. C is one, even if it's just depth.

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-18-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 589056)
Exactly what Danno said.
We basically have 2 legit starting Wrs in Colston and Graham. Colston is getting old and both have history with injuries. If they go down it will be up to Toon, Stills, and Morgan.
I don't think Toon is going to pan out. I just don't think he is NFL material much less stratum material.
Stills had a good season and looks to be legit but he's raw and could benefit from more experience.
Morgan has shown flashes but he has also made some big mistakes and is still a ?? Coming off injury.
Meachem can help but WR is a position of serious need. More so than people think.
If Colston and Graham get hurt we are screwed.

I see what you are saying to a point. But only to a point. Let's be honest. Drew Brees in a Sean Payton offensive system can make receivers that are average talent very productive. Samples:

Joe Horn with his 94 balls had triple the production in his first year in NO than in his first 4 years at KC combined.

Devery Henderson was a weapon in the Saints offense. He could not even get onto a squad last year.

Meachem was useless in San Diego. Comes back and has a productive year last year.

Morgan looked like a budding superstar in 2012.

Even Moore and Colston were undrafted and 7th rd pick respectively.

The Payton offense gets you the matchup. The QB then throws players open. How else can you have an offense that has posted 4 5000 yard passing seasons with a receiver corps where virtually no one breaks the 1000 yard mark?

From what I understand the WR crop is deep this year in the draft. Just like Stills last year there's no reason that a 3rd, 4th, or 5th round receiver could not easily transition to a productive player in the Saints offense.

SFIAH

Danno 04-18-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589076)
I see what you are saying to a point. But only to a point. Let's be honest. Drew Brees in a Sean Payton offensive system can make receivers that are average talent very productive. Samples:

Joe Horn with his 94 balls had triple the production in his first year in NO than in his first 4 years at KC combined.

Devery Henderson was a weapon in the Saints offense. He could not even get onto a squad last year.

Meachem was useless in San Diego. Comes back and has a productive year last year.

Morgan looked like a budding superstar in 2012.

Even Moore and Colston were undrafted and 7th rd pick respectively.

The Payton offense gets you the matchup. The QB then throws players open. How else can you have an offense that has posted 4 5000 yard passing seasons with a receiver corps where virtually no one breaks the 1000 yard mark?

From what I understand the WR crop is deep this year in the draft. Just like Stills last year there's no reason that a 3rd, 4th, or 5th round receiver could not easily transition to a productive player in the Saints offense.

SFIAH

Oh I agree we shouldn't sell the farm for a WR, I would be just giddy if we landed one in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th round.

BTW: Joe Horn only played in 10 games with Brees/Payton, which was one of his worst seasons.

But I agree, WR is only one of several positions worthy of our 1st pick. OLB, ILB, CB, WR, TE (Ebron), DT or even an A-prospect at DE wouldn't upset me at all.

QBREES9 04-18-2014 05:18 PM

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Bring back Lance Moore !

hennr 04-18-2014 05:23 PM

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Good resigning should make final 53 roster the one who gets bumped off baring someone geting hurt in camp is Toon if out played by givens or morgan if out played by the 202nd pick which will be one of two wrs the other i think will be the 27th pick also a wr.so i project Colston-Stills-meachem-27th pick a wr-who wins between toon an givens-an 6th spot who wins between Morgan an 202nd pick also i project to be a wr taken with the last pick. .:bng::hallucinate:

Danno 04-18-2014 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 589081)
Bring back Lance Moore !

He signed with Pittsburgh

NonieT 04-18-2014 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589076)

Devery Henderson was a weapon in the Saints offense. He could not even get onto a squad last year.

SFIAH

Someone on another board said "The Saints as well as a few other teams reached out(Devery) to him during last season but he wasn't interested."

NonieT 04-18-2014 06:49 PM

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I'm sorry, I should have posted the entire reply. Here it is:

"Devery was signed by the Redskins last offseason. Before the start of training camp, Devery's dad passed away. Mike Shanahan gave Devery time off to attend his father's services & to grieve as well. Once he did make it to camp, he was a few pounds over weight & not in great shape. His head & heart wasn't into football either. Shanahan cut him before camp even ended in order to give Henderson the opportunity to catch on elsewhere but Devery is pretty content with how his career played out. He's set financially & takes pride that he never suffered any major injuries. The Saints as well as a few other teams reached out to him during last season but he wasn't interested."

This was on the WhoDatZone.com about Devery Henderson.

hagan714 04-18-2014 07:11 PM

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oh well he knows the offense and he is a good streaker. nothing to get all excited about. now if he make some plays over the middle on shallow and mid range routes it might get excited. as for know send him deep

ChrisXVI 04-18-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 589103)
I'm sorry, I should have posted the entire reply. Here it is:



"Devery was signed by the Redskins last offseason. Before the start of training camp, Devery's dad passed away. Mike Shanahan gave Devery time off to attend his father's services & to grieve as well. Once he did make it to camp, he was a few pounds over weight & not in great shape. His head & heart wasn't into football either. Shanahan cut him before camp even ended in order to give Henderson the opportunity to catch on elsewhere but Devery is pretty content with how his career played out. He's set financially & takes pride that he never suffered any major injuries. The Saints as well as a few other teams reached out to him during last season but he wasn't interested."



This was on the WhoDatZone.com about Devery Henderson.


I never knew that... Thanks for posting it. I was kind of curious what happened to Devery and why we brought Meachem back and not him.

CheramieIII 04-18-2014 08:50 PM

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Good Signing we will end up resigning Goodwin and Greer too. A lot of holes filled in FA and get really get the BPA in the draft

ScottF 04-18-2014 08:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 589103)
I'm sorry, I should have posted the entire reply. Here it is:

"Devery was signed by the Redskins last offseason. Before the start of training camp, Devery's dad passed away. Mike Shanahan gave Devery time off to attend his father's services & to grieve as well. Once he did make it to camp, he was a few pounds over weight & not in great shape. His head & heart wasn't into football either. Shanahan cut him before camp even ended in order to give Henderson the opportunity to catch on elsewhere but Devery is pretty content with how his career played out. He's set financially & takes pride that he never suffered any major injuries. The Saints as well as a few other teams reached out to him during last season but he wasn't interested."

This was on the WhoDatZone.com about Devery Henderson.

The guy I sit next to at games was Henderson's track coach and said Henderson had a lot of personal issues. Some guys walk away happy; some can't give it up


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