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jeanpierre 04-21-2014 02:07 PM

Saints pick up fifth-year option on Cam Jordan
 
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"According to Larry Holder of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, the Saints have picked up the option on defensive end Cam Jordan, locking him in through the 2015 season with a $6.969 million salary."

New Orleans Saints exercise fifth-year option on defensive end Cam Jordan | NOLA.com

Saints pick up fifth-year option on Cam Jordan | ProFootballTalk

rezburna 04-21-2014 02:27 PM

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Beautiful.

Rugby Saint II 04-21-2014 02:48 PM

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I hope Mickey is stashing some money away for a long term contract. Jordan has been solid since he was drafted and has gotten better every year. I see multilple pro bowls for Jordan and the entire Saints defense.

This is a young defense that is building around corner stones like Cam Jordan along the front D-line. I also fully expect our secondary to be a turn over machine with a lot of three and outs. This defense will give every offensive coordinator night mares.

Byrd has been meeting with Ryan. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at those first couple of sessions together. Ryan has alot to work with......and this is before the draft even starts. Nice job Mickey.

Tobias-Reiper 04-21-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 589283)
Beautiful.

He is quite the handsome fellow...

ScottF 04-21-2014 05:49 PM

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cheap
2016 he'll break the bank

ScottF 04-21-2014 05:53 PM

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Saints' 2015 cap is loaded -- but worth it - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN

Sure, the Saints are facing even more salary-cap constraints in 2015 and beyond. They now have $134 million counting against their 2015 salary cap for just 42 players, according to ESPN Stats and Information. And that doesn't include the looming new mega-deal for tight end Jimmy Graham.

Ashley 04-21-2014 09:06 PM

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Then we better bring home a ring this year. Our window of opportunity is now closing.

hagan714 04-21-2014 09:36 PM

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man that was a tough choice

jeanpierre 04-21-2014 10:23 PM

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So can we interpret the non-action of picking up the elective option on Mark Ingram as a vote of no confidence?!?

FinSaint 04-22-2014 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 589330)
So can we interpret the non-action of picking up the elective option on Mark Ingram as a vote of no confidence?!?


...Or "prove you're worth it" type of a deal.

I would imagine the Saints will try to re-sign him after the season if he shows he is worth it, but there's no way they'd spend $5M in cap on a RB with the body of work Ingram can point to at the moment.

Crusader 04-22-2014 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 589320)
Then we better bring home a ring this year. Our window of opportunity is now closing.

Nah, Loomis got this. Next year is probably when we restructure Breesīto free up space.

ChrisXVI 04-22-2014 06:31 AM

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I'm guessing we'll still be able to work out a long term deal with him in the 2015 offseason that would give him a lower cap hit that season... This is just a way of keeping him from hitting free agency.

lee909 04-22-2014 06:42 AM

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The media already starting with the 'Saints in cap Hell 2015'.
Will these people never learn.


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Take a day off, he got this

TheOak 04-22-2014 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 589305)
Saints' 2015 cap is loaded -- but worth it - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN

Sure, the Saints are facing even more salary-cap constraints in 2015 and beyond. They now have $134 million counting against their 2015 salary cap for just 42 players, according to ESPN Stats and Information. And that doesn't include the looming new mega-deal for tight end Jimmy Graham.

Looming mega deal... Like a 2nd franchise tag :)?

Jimmy is an anomaly. One that is stuck between two competing values. His production and ability have 1 value (the higher), but his position has another value (the lower).

Presently Jason Witten has the highest ave contract value at roughly 7.5m/year
Gronkowski has the highest total contract value but it is still less than 7m/year.

Jimmy wants 10m+/year but his position doesn't warrant that.

Jimmy's 2014 tag is $7m
2015 Franchise Tag value is 120% (Second Tag for Jimmy) of the 2014 which is $8.4 Million.

So as a business exercise, in 2015 Jimmy Graham will either be playing under contract that he signs in 2015 for roughly 8.5m (ish)/year (Highest paid Tight End), or he gets a second tag and plays for 8.4m/year.

We all focus on Cap number but that is like focusing on monthly car note.. What do you want it to be? Loomis can stretch the years out and make it what he wants.

The real metric Loomis focuses on is the position value and the player performance. Once that is done he can make the payments what he wants.

Ironic that one of the best Cap Managers is employed by a Car Dealership owner :bng:

saintsfan1976 04-22-2014 08:42 AM

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Ingram fits the zone scheme. One our offense ran better as the year went on. Not only does Ingram stay, his performance improves.

TheOak 04-22-2014 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 589330)
So can we interpret the non-action of picking up the elective option on Mark Ingram as a vote of no confidence?!?

No, at least I do not see it that way. I believe it is more of a Sean Payton/Mickey Loomis are are not going to drop $5m/year for a Running back. Pretty much full stop.

Thomas 2.7m/year Rumor was he was shopped.
Sproles hit 3+m/year and was gone.

I am not sure the gravity of a $5m/year RB is fully understood. $5m/year is top 11 RB money.. That's a Trent Richardson, C.J. Spiller, Mathews, Charles.

TheOak 04-22-2014 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 589361)
Ingram fits the zone scheme. One our offense ran better as the year went on. Not only does Ingram stay, his performance improves.

Zone Scheme is blocking, nothing to do with the RBs.

ScottF 04-22-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 589349)
Ironic that one of the best Cap Managers is employed by a Car Dealership owner :bng:

but he is including undercoating, rustproofing and extended warranty with every deal made

TheOak 04-22-2014 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 589366)
but he is including undercoating, rustproofing and extended warranty with every deal made


Better throw in Lo-Jack so Gubbs doesn't have to go visit them.

TheOak 04-22-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 589320)
Then we better bring home a ring this year. Our window of opportunity is now closing.

5 years of kicking arse and making the playoffs (I am counting 2012 as a should have/would have) is not a window... That is a solidly maintained very good team.

The Dude 04-22-2014 02:45 PM

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Don't be surprised if our D takes a small step back or remains the same even with all the great acquisitions. Going from worst ever in the league by 1000yds to 4th is absolutely unheard of. They very well could have overachieved. If we improve awesome but even if we do take a small step back it is still a monumental improvement.

Danno 04-22-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 589385)
Don't be surprised if our D takes a small step back or remains the same even with all the great acquisitions. Going from worst ever in the league by 1000yds to 4th is absolutely unheard of. They very well could have overachieved. If we improve awesome but even if we do take a small step back it is still a monumental improvement.

Agreed sort of. The reasons we were the worst ever had more to do with the misfit style of Spagnuolo and not the talent we had on the defense. This was said over and over and over again before we made the jump from last to 4th.

BTW: I think the Texans went from worst to 1st overall in one season just a few seasons ago, so its not really unheard of.

But your point is one I was tempted to make myself. A top 4 ranking will be hard to improve on regardless of how good you are and how much you've improved. So many factors go into that final ranking that it just isn't as simple as saying since we improved personnel on a top ranked defense then we should improve our ranking as well.

We indeed could be a better defense and yet not improve on the #4 ranking at all. Maybe we jump out to bigger leads and give up a lot more garbage yards/points. Maybe we have a couple really bad match-ups or lose a couple key players for a span, or we become more feast/famine due to desiring more turnovers, we gamble more (because we can afford to) and give up more yards, etc...

Regardless, a top 5-ish defense demands respect. Whether your #2 or #6, you are damn good.

Good observation Dude.

QBREES9 04-22-2014 07:56 PM

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he'll break the bank, 2016.

TheOak 04-23-2014 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 589385)
Don't be surprised if our D takes a small step back or remains the same even with all the great acquisitions. Going from worst ever in the league by 1000yds to 4th is absolutely unheard of. They very well could have overachieved. If we improve awesome but even if we do take a small step back it is still a monumental improvement.

Agreed brother man.. Even if we fall from 4th to 8th overall but become very consistent I am damn fine with that.

History has proven that adding 1-2 key players doesn't always bring monumental improvement, and the step from 4th ranked to higher is huge.

If we improve on just 1 area which is rushing (ranked 19th) that will be monumental. We were 4th in Points, 4th in total yards, and 2nd in passing yards.

* Second in passing yards with a defensive back field that was hammered with injury and fans complained about all season... Since our LBs cant cover and our CBs were horrible.:bng::broccoli:

saintsfan1976 04-23-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 589365)
Zone Scheme is blocking, nothing to do with the RBs.

Ingram ran behind a zone blocking scheme at Bama, no?

Payton drafted Ingram - traded up, in fact - then changed to zone blocking.

I'm sure Ingram has at least something to do with it...

TheOak 04-23-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 589518)
Ingram ran behind a zone blocking scheme at Bama, no?



Payton drafted Ingram - traded up, in fact - then changed to zone blocking.



I'm sure Ingram has at least something to do with it...


We switched to zone blocking after Kromer left and Ingalls became the o-line coach, two seasons after Ingram became a Saint.

So no, it has nothing to do with the RB that had the second most carries which was 50% of the RB with the most carries. That would be like changing the passing game for Kenny Stills.

Zone blocking is about making a hole to run through, it has nothing to do with the RB running through the hole.

Ingram has nothing to go with the zone blocking scheme, a hole is a hole.


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