New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com

New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com (https://blackandgold.com/community/)

- Saints (https://blackandgold.com/saints/)

- - Dee Ford? (https://blackandgold.com/saints/65642-dee-ford.html)

After seeing the video, I wouldn't be upset at all if he was pick #27.

Sport Science: Dee Ford - ESPN Video - ESPN

Junior Galette is better. We don't need to burn a 1st round pick on a situational pass rusher. Nobody thought he was anything special until the end of his college career... I'm not buying the hype. I'd rather reach in the 1st round for Van Noy or Attaochu. Dee Ford has speed but that's it. No ability to stop the run.

I'd love that pick. Probably better options, but he's gonna be a good player

Bruce Irving 2.0 one trick pony. I like Shazier better sideline to sideline speed and cover ability like Lavonte David.

I like several players better, but I can live with the Ford pick all day.

if small and fast is the direction the saints go then i have to go with Shazier

he can play OLB and ILB and drop into coverage. flexibility always wins IMO

I don't really like the size of eith Noy or Shazier myself. We need to be more stout against the run and neither have the size to do that imo.

Dee seems to be falling a bit. Might be there in the second rd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 589897)

I don't really like the size of eith Noy or Shazier myself. We need to be more stout against the run and neither have the size to do that imo.

I gotta disagree. Noy is 6-3 243, thats plenty big in todays NFL.

Shazier has OK size, but as experts have pointed out his frame looks to be maxed out. He's not getting any bigger.

My personal favorite is CJ Mosley.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 589927)

I think Noy could be ok inside but not when we shift to a front 4 with 3 safties, he would get battered in the run imo. If he is there in the 2nd fine but he is no 1st rounder imo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 589927)

If Mosley somehow falls to us and we dont pull the trigger on him,Im gonna personally go b**ch slap Payton....ok,I probably wont but Im sure Im gonna be really upset!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 589927)

OLB/DE Dee Ford 6201 253

6201 does not round up it rounds down lol not really the issue

defend the run? so - so at best
consistently dinged up? yes
full season healthy? no
Pass coverage skills? none to talk about

a go get the quarterback only type of player

those are my knocks on him.

OLB/ILB Ryan Shazier 6011 237

Value is in fact that he will not have to come off the field. he is a 3 down LB. issue is can he hold up?

CJ Mosley at 27 i would be drunk till camp opened up :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 589978)

6201 does not round up it rounds down lol not really the issue

defend the run? so - so at best
consistently dinged up? yes
full season healthy? no
Pass coverage skills? none to talk about

a go get the quarterback only type of player

those are my knocks on him.

Ford or Noy?

I like Noy. Didn't watch too much BYU football, but when boredom drove me to it, he seemed like a real smart player. Ford's working too hard to sell himself. That always makes me wary of a player. Shazier reacts and depends on his speed. Noy seemed a move ahead of the game, the times when I was watching him.

Dee Ford was nobody until the Senior Bowl and then he sky-rocketed into a first round pick. Van Noy is smart and he's awesome dropping into coverage. He'd be the perfect strong side complement to Galette in the base 3-4 defense covering TE's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 589980)

Ford or Noy?

Ford

I also like Kony Ealy. But I think Justin Gilbert is someone I would like to see the Saints try and trade up for. But Dee Ford is quite awesome and I think Rob Ryan would be happy to have him.

Agree on Ealy. Some have him slipping but I just dont see it myself. From the tapes I have seen he can blitz through the middle or from the end position better than anyone else outside the top 10 talents.

Mosley would be the pick and I Might even move in rd two to pick Van Noy
S

I think Mosley will be long gone by the time we are on deck.

Don't be surprised to see us take Christian Jones out of FSU in the 3rd. He fits the mold of what RR is looking for in an ILB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 590906)

Don't be surprised to see us take Christian Jones out of FSU in the 3rd. He fits the mold of what RR is looking for in an ILB.

Failed drug test at combine as did Jernigan and Mettenberger.
Some are flagged as failed as tbe urine was watered down due players drinking gallobs of water. Still counts as failed though.

Sorry trying to copy and paste from phone.
Check out bleacher report as tbe article should be on there

Zach Mettenberger Among NFL Prospects Who Reportedly Failed Combine Drug Test

USA Today

Former LSU quarterback Zach Mettenberger and former Florida State defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan were among a group of 10 players who reportedly failed their drug tests at the NFL Scouting Combine in February.*****

Fox Sports' Jay Glazer, with assistance from a report by ProFootballTalk.com's Mike Florio, has the news:*

The top prospect on the list was*Florida State*defensive tackle*Timmy Jernigan, who is projected as a mid first-round selection. Another big name was Louisiana State quarterback*Zach Mettenberger. ProFootballTalk.com first reported that Mettenberger tested positive for having a diluted urine sample, which would count as a failed test under the NFL's drug program.

Ian Rapoport of NFL.com later confirmed the report on Jernigan and Glazer added more details on his failed test:

Other players on the list include LSU defensive tackle Anthony Johnson, Miami tackle Seantrel Henderson and Florida State linebackers Telvin Smith and Christian Jones.*

Jernigan showed flashes of both*dominance*and inconsistency while recording 63 tackles and 4.5 sacks for the Seminoles last season, but he was downright dominant against Auburn in the national championship, creating consistent disruption on the interior.*

The 6'2", 299-pound defensive tackle has always had the talent, but that performance boosted his stock into first-round territory. Many still aren't sold, however, and Rotoworld's Josh Norris recently said he wasn't a first-rounder:*

Adding a red flag may just solidify that fact.*

As for Mettenberger, his physical therapist, via Florio, is claiming that his diluted sample was the result of the rehabilitation process for his torn ACL:

(Mettenberger) was experiencing frequent muscle cramping during the day as well as at night while trying to sleep. (He was advised to drink) as much as 1 to 1.5 gallons of of water per day, to increase his consumption of foods high in potassium, and to increase his sodium intake.

"The kid didn't do anything wrong," agent Joe Linta added, via CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora. "He was doing what the doctor told him to do."

According to Florio, a diluted sample is still treated as a positive sample.

Although Mettenberger is coming off a serious injury, he thrived in Cam Cameron's NFL system as a senior and*continued to improve his stock during April's pro day. Still, Bleacher Report's Will Carroll argued that this development combined with his injury should keep him out of the first-round discussion:*

A second- or third-round choice is most likely for Mettenberger.*

CBS Sports lists Smith as another potential second-round pick and Johnson as a fourth-round prospect, while there's a chance Jones and Henderson won't hear their names called.*

A failed drug test isn't going to make or break a career, but it's hardly a red flag that NFL teams want to see just three days prior to the start of the draft. It's often little things like this that sway teams on the fence one way or the other.*

It remains to be seen how this news will impact the players involved and the interested teams around the league on draft day. After a long pre-draft evaluation process, we won't have to wait long to find out.*