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s2kguy 04-29-2014 06:10 PM

Trading up?
 
What do you think the odds of us trading up in the draft would be? Sammy Watkins has been hinting a lot that a team outside the top 10 has been "making offers". I know this is probably a long shot in us getting the best WR in the draft but this would be a huge chance to get a blockbuster like WR. Hey......a guy could only dream right?


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Danno 04-29-2014 06:14 PM

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I can see us trading up, but not that far.

We're loaded with talent, so a deep draft doesn't benefit us as much as it does a team with numerous glaring holes.

If we target 2 or 3 real difference makers, I'd be OK with trading up all draft long.

At this stage, quality is more important than quantity.

s2kguy 04-29-2014 06:16 PM

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A quality WR like Watkins would be worth the gamble, jmo


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exile 04-29-2014 06:17 PM

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Who in their right mind would pass on Watkins to let us jump in their spot to get him? There isn't enough draft picks available to give for easily the most dangerous offensive weapon in the draft.

saintshrimp 04-29-2014 06:18 PM

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To me the best is we Trade down and out of the first round.I just think we need to Start planning for the future at some point and with this being as deep of a draft as it suppose to be we could afford to do it this yrs.I don't see this current team as needing that much

saintsfan1976 04-29-2014 06:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by s2kguy (Post 590193)
A quality WR like Watkins would be worth the gamble, jmo


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Sure but I think what Danno's trying to say is at what price? We'd mortgage our future to move from 27 into the top 10 (or lower) to get Watkins.

I could see us staying at 27 and 58 but trading up to get back into Round 2 or higher 3rd round pick. Grab some UDFAs and call it a summer.

s2kguy 04-29-2014 06:21 PM

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I guess this is also coming from a local and huge Clemson fan. Just want to continue cheering on the best WR the school has ever had. Just think it would be perfect to see him in black and gold.


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saintsfan1976 04-29-2014 06:28 PM

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Probably also why you're not an NFL coach. LOL

s2kguy 04-29-2014 06:32 PM

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Agree


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hagan714 04-29-2014 06:46 PM

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dam that is a jump. maybe to 15 or lower if a player like cj is on the board but into the top ten thats a lot of future to mortgage.

foreverfan 04-29-2014 07:00 PM

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Danno 04-29-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 590202)
dam that is a jump. maybe to 15 or lower if a player like cj is on the board but into the top ten thats a lot of future to mortgage.

I love your idea about grabbing CJ, but I don't think sacrificing 2 or 3 picks to move up is mortgaging our future.

A Rickey Williams type trade is obviously foolish, but a 2 or 3 pick trade to grab a can't miss stud is fine with me.

Hell we gave up two picks for a frigging punter (the least important position on any sports team in the history of sports on this planet) a few years back when we had numerous holes to fill.

s2kguy 04-29-2014 07:07 PM

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Take away my fandom, is there such a play that would be worth a huge trade in the draft? I'm probably thinking way too much into this but a player with those abilities would definitely have a strong possibility on making our offense even more complete.

Maybe when I start farting rainbows and my sh*t turns purple this would happen.


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Seer1 04-29-2014 09:47 PM

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The draft is real deep in WRs this year. Sean and Drew like to spread the ball around. A super stud would kind of be wasted money in our scheme.

saintsfan1976 04-29-2014 10:06 PM

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Agreed Seer1. Now defense on the other hand...

I could see us stay put at 27. Grab Anthony Barr and then grab a playmaker on offense at 58 or trade up higher in the second round.

jeanpierre 04-29-2014 10:49 PM

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Other than Mack or Matthews or Robinson, I wouldn't trade up as there is plenty of talent in this deep draft...

lsutigerfan 04-30-2014 03:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by s2kguy (Post 590193)
A quality WR like Watkins would be worth the gamble, jmo


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They'd have to give up more then they did to get Ricky Williams, are you willing to do that? Not me. If the Saints were in the top ten I'd say do it, but not all the way from 27. Even though Sammy would look real good in black and gold.

lee909 04-30-2014 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 590235)
Agreed Seer1. Now defense on the other hand...

I could see us stay put at 27. Grab Anthony Barr and then grab a playmaker on offense at 58 or trade up higher in the second round.

Barr wont get out the top 15,probably the top 10

CodyJ88 04-30-2014 05:43 AM

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I would like to get Sammy Watkins but that is to much to give up to get up high enough to draft him. I would rather trade up into the top 15 and get OBJ. But if not stay at 27 and pick up a CB or WR

Mr.Riaton 04-30-2014 06:14 AM

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I wonder what it would take to trade up and get Watkins and Gilbert...

lee909 04-30-2014 06:18 AM

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Just to get Watkins you are going to have to move into the top 4 and thats likely to set you back this years and next years first,this years second and probably another pick or two. Watkins is not worth that outlay,teams wont give up two firsts for Graham so no way our we giving up more for a unproven product.

Mr.Riaton 04-30-2014 06:19 AM

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Watkins is a good WR, but Marquis Lee and Kelvin Benjamin arent scrubs either,and can probably both be had at 27.

saintsfan1976 04-30-2014 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 590245)
Barr wont get out the top 15,probably the top 10

Too many holes in his game. I think he slips. Shazier is getting all they hype and becoming overvalued now.

Seer1 04-30-2014 07:36 AM

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Does either our offense or defense really have a glaring hole that'd make us trade up for an NFL ready player? Would it really be worth trading up for a kid that would be riding the bench for a year or two otherwise? I'm not seeing that. We have a couple of good coaches who work with the talent they have. There are many excellent athletes in the draft this year that'll be available when our number comes up. I don't know who they'll be, but I bet there's a surprise or two in store for us come draft weekend.

TheOak 04-30-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 590261)
Does either our offense or defense really have a glaring hole that'd make us trade up for an NFL ready player? Would it really be worth trading up for a kid that would be riding the bench for a year or two otherwise? I'm not seeing that. We have a couple of good coaches who work with the talent they have. There are many excellent athletes in the draft this year that'll be available when our number comes up. I don't know who they'll be, but I bet there's a surprise or two in store for us come draft weekend.


You trade up for a difference maker that equates to 4+ wins in a season, not filling holes.

dizzle88 04-30-2014 08:45 AM

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If we make up a jump, I don't think it would be into the top 10 - your giving up way too much to move there, unless loomis pulls some magic act again

If we do trade up, I think it would likely be between spots 14-20 and nab odell beckham as watkins would be gone by then

lsutigerfan 04-30-2014 10:47 AM

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If they jump between 14-20 it better be for Mosely, Dennard or Gilbert. You can get a good WR at 27 or even in the 2nd round for that matter.

Seer1 04-30-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 590262)
You trade up for a difference maker that equates to 4+ wins in a season, not filling holes.

Oh, so you're talking about a kicker? ;)

TheOak 04-30-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 590274)
Oh, so you're talking about a kicker? ;)


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Rugby Saint II 04-30-2014 12:11 PM

Re: Trading up?
 
I'd like to stay put in the first round.......maybe trade back five spots if the offer is there. I would definitely trade up in the second round and if possible trade up in the third to get back in the second. Three difference makers could really help this team.
Let's not forget about the UDFA's that want to come to the Saints. :bng:

Mr.Riaton 04-30-2014 02:01 PM

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Whoever we pick in the first couple of rounds Im sure we'll be happy with. I just hope we get a good center that will be stout for years to come.

Utah_Saint 04-30-2014 02:38 PM

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I think the three positions I'd like to see the Saints pick up early are ILB, C, and WR so...

If Mosley were to slip down to the late teens, I hope the Saints trade up and grab him.

From what I've been reading...
Centers won't go till after the first or even second round and starting quality wide receivers can be had all through out the first 4 rounds.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 590301)
I think the three positions I'd like to see the Saints pick up early are ILB, C, and WR so...

If Mosley were to slip down to the late teens, I hope the Saints trade up and grab him.

From what I've been reading...
Centers won't go till after the first or even second round and starting quality wide receivers can be had all through out the first 4 rounds.

I'm not sure that the Saints simply want a quality WR. I think they want an elite one if the opportunity presents itself. A difference making WR would make a very good Colston, Stills and Graham even that much better and further open up the run. The Saints have fairly successfully used a plug-and-play philosophy for the past few years with the offensive line. Either Lelito, a re-signed Goodwin or a 2nd-3rd round pick would suffice. While an ILB would be nice for depth, Lofton, Hawthorn and Humber are more than capable.

I feel WR would be the only significant piece that could be added to the puzzle.

s2kguy 04-30-2014 07:02 PM

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Thoughts on trading up for someone like Shazier if we go LB first?

Utah_Saint 04-30-2014 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by s2kguy (Post 590334)
Thoughts on trading up for someone like Shazier if we go LB first?

I'm no kind of draft expert but I don't think we should have to trade up for Shazier.

And I'd rather have an inside linebacker. Lofton and Hawthorne underperformed last year and they're big cap hits next season. I'd like to have someone that can push or replace them.


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