Scout: Johnny Manziel is more talented than Drew Brees

TheOak · 05-05-2014, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

This has got a lot to do with Brees the last two years. If Brees cuts down on the interceptions then this criticism will stop. But not many people are aware of the fact that Brees does not find the open guy.

You mean like 2013 when he only threw 12? In comparison 2009 he threw 11.

"Open receiver" is a subjective term. For Nick Toon to be open he must have 10 yards of free space, for Calvin Johnson or Andre' Johnson to be open they must have their helmet on.

WillSaints81 · 05-05-2014, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You mean like 2013 when he only threw 12? In comparison 2009 he threw 11.

"Open receiver" is a subjective term. For Nick Toon to be open he must have 10 yards of free space, for Calvin Johnson or Andre' Johnson to be open they must have their helmet on.

You said yourself that Brees doesnt throw to players based on being open. The thing is when you look at the stats, his ints were mostly on the road and he threw more than 1 in half the games.

TheOak · 05-06-2014, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

You said yourself that Brees doesnt throw to players based on being open. The thing is when you look at the stats, his ints were mostly on the road and he threw more than 1 in half the games.

That is not exactly what I said, you are throwing some loose interpretation in there as well.

What I have said a few times is that Drew inst a target of opportunity QB, he reads through route progressions and the receiver needs to be open to a certain degree in that route or close enough for Drew to throw him open.

He doesn't roll out right like Manziel and look to see who is open somewhere on the field. He stays in the pocket and reads the progression of the routes to determine which x he is going to hit, or for the quicker release passes he is throwing it to a mark on the field and the receiver better be there.

One of the A&M receivers recently stated that playing with Johnny wasn't very organized and his receivers never knew where he would be throwing from or who he would be throwing to consistently. Having a QB that can make plays is fantastic, having a QB that does it/tries to do it each and every down is very difficult to game plan around.

WillSaints81 · 05-05-2014, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You mean like 2013 when he only threw 12? In comparison 2009 he threw 11.

"Open receiver" is a subjective term. For Nick Toon to be open he must have 10 yards of free space, for Calvin Johnson or Andre' Johnson to be open they must have their helmet on.

It's not just ints, he didnt have good receivers last year(or better yet, he had aging ones and a rookie) and Graham was hobbled. He was also badly protected by the LT until week 17 so it really had an effect on him there as well. The thing is the media lives off the past of how great our o once was and instead of pointing out those situations, they put it all on Brees being 35 and his "arm strength is falling off" I can't say how many times I heard people on other forums(variety not team specific such as Hoopla) say that about his arm. I am just hoping all of those things are not an issue this year.

05-05-2014, 07:03 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Scout: Johnny Manziel is more talented than Drew Brees Originally Posted by WillSaints81 This has got a lot to do with Brees the last two years. If Brees cuts down on the interceptions then this criticism will stop. But not many people are aware of the fact that Brees does not find the open guy. You mean like 2013 when he only threw 12? In comparison 2009 he threw 11. "Open receiver" is a subjective term. For Nick Toon to be open he must have 10 yards of free space, for Calvin Johnson or Andre' Johnson to be open they must have their helmet on.

05-05-2014, 09:49 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Scout: Johnny Manziel is more talented than Drew Brees Originally Posted by TheOak You mean like 2013 when he only threw 12? In comparison 2009 he threw 11. "Open receiver" is a subjective term. For Nick Toon to be open he must have 10 yards of free space, for Calvin Johnson or Andre' Johnson to be open they must have their helmet on. You said yourself that Brees doesnt throw to players based on being open. The thing is when you look at the stats, his ints were mostly on the road and he threw more than 1 in half the games.

05-06-2014, 07:57 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Scout: Johnny Manziel is more talented than Drew Brees Originally Posted by WillSaints81 You said yourself that Brees doesnt throw to players based on being open. The thing is when you look at the stats, his ints were mostly on the road and he threw more than 1 in half the games. That is not exactly what I said, you are throwing some loose interpretation in there as well. What I have said a few times is that Drew inst a target of opportunity QB, he reads through route progressions and the receiver needs to be open to a certain degree in that route or close enough for Drew to throw him open. He doesn't roll out right like Manziel and look to see who is open somewhere on the field. He stays in the pocket and reads the progression of the routes to determine which x he is going to hit, or for the quicker release passes he is throwing it to a mark on the field and the receiver better be there. One of the A&M receivers recently stated that playing with Johnny wasn't very organized and his receivers never knew where he would be throwing from or who he would be throwing to consistently. Having a QB that can make plays is fantastic, having a QB that does it/tries to do it each and every down is very difficult to game plan around. OldMaid likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-05-2014, 09:55 PM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Scout: Johnny Manziel is more talented than Drew Brees Originally Posted by TheOak You mean like 2013 when he only threw 12? In comparison 2009 he threw 11. "Open receiver" is a subjective term. For Nick Toon to be open he must have 10 yards of free space, for Calvin Johnson or Andre' Johnson to be open they must have their helmet on. It's not just ints, he didnt have good receivers last year(or better yet, he had aging ones and a rookie) and Graham was hobbled. He was also badly protected by the LT until week 17 so it really had an effect on him there as well. The thing is the media lives off the past of how great our o once was and instead of pointing out those situations, they put it all on Brees being 35 and his "arm strength is falling off" I can't say how many times I heard people on other forums(variety not team specific such as Hoopla) say that about his arm. I am just hoping all of those things are not an issue this year.

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