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Crusader 05-08-2014 11:05 PM

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I don't know really. Not the guy I really wanted but seems to be a good player. I hope I'll get more excited over time.

NoZone504 05-08-2014 11:08 PM

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He has a chip on his shoulder because of people knocking him because of height.
R.O.Y candidate!

QBREES9 05-08-2014 11:14 PM

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I kind of wanted Denard. Like I always say in Loomis I trust.

billyt81 05-08-2014 11:16 PM

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Damn maybe Landryll be there in the 4th.

WhoDatFan26 05-08-2014 11:29 PM

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I also wanted Denard simply because he would have made our secondary air-tight but Hey if Cooks scores 2 against The Failcan'ts I'll quickly come around.

jnormand 05-08-2014 11:35 PM

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We still can address o-line and defense in this draft. Cooks is going to be a great slot receiver. Can't wait.

|Mitch| 05-08-2014 11:39 PM

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Walters Grade:

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New Orleans Saints: Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State: A- Grade
The Saints are giving up a third-round pick to move up from No. 27 to 20. I'd say it's worth it, considering they landed the top receiver available. Wideout was a big need for New Orleans; Marques Colston is always banged up, while Lance Moore is gone. Brandin Cooks will take Moore's spot and will be a huge upgrade. It's almost scary to imagine the Saints' offense now with Cooks joining Drew Brees and Jimmy Graham. Sean Payton will have lots of fun with Cooks.

SaintLeonard 05-08-2014 11:39 PM

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Cooks has the legit 4.3 speed to stretch the field if he pleases.

Cooks is also a stellar route-running technician that can drive defenses crazy on 3rd down.

It's rare for a slot WR to have both of those traits. Usually they're either just speedsters or good route runners. Not very many guys (if any) have both. Cooks does.

Jack Vegas 05-08-2014 11:59 PM

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The thing that just kind of blows my mind is that we got Stills in the 5th round last year, but we had to trade up this year to get Cooks in the 1st round of a draft that was supposedly stacked with receivers. And they are very similar players. Is Cooks really THAT much better than Stills? And with Brees' accuracy issues last year especially on the deep ball, will we be able to take advantage of all this speed?

Like the player from what I've read, but I just can't stop thinking that we could've had Verrett, which would've really shored up our corner position, then still been able to snag a WR like Landry or Jordan Matthews in the 2nd.

amazin15 05-09-2014 12:31 AM

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we get the same short, quick, sharp route runner we had in Sproles and add an deep threat. With him lined up in the slot and Jimmy controlling the middle, there's no way anybody will be able to load the box. We could have success with the run if we make an effort to get it going.

ProMallNinja 05-09-2014 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 591609)
The thing that just kind of blows my mind is that we got Stills in the 5th round last year, but we had to trade up this year to get Cooks in the 1st round of a draft that was supposedly stacked with receivers. And they are very similar players. Is Cooks really THAT much better than Stills? And with Brees' accuracy issues last year especially on the deep ball, will we be able to take advantage of all this speed?

Like the player from what I've read, but I just can't stop thinking that we could've had Verrett, which would've really shored up our corner position, then still been able to snag a WR like Landry or Jordan Matthews in the 2nd.

Stills was "good" in college. Cooks was an absolute stud.

Stills' last year at OK: 82 receptions, 959 yards, 11.7 ypc, 11 TDs.

Cooks last season: 128 receptions (pac 10 record), 1730 yards (most in football last season), 13.5 ypc, 16 TDs, and more 20+ yard plays than any skill player in college football last season.

His only knock is height. Like someone else said, had he been a few inches taller, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would've been long gone in the top 10.

Bruce Ellington is probably a little closer to a Stills counterpart in this draft.... Cooks is a notch or two above.

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jnormand 05-09-2014 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ProMallNinja (Post 591613)
Stills was "good" in college. Cooks was an absolute stud.

Stills' last year at OK: 82 receptions, 959 yards, 11.7 ypc, 11 TDs.

Cooks last season: 128 receptions (pac 10 record), 1730 yards (most in football last season), 13.5 ypc, 16 TDs, and more 20+ yard plays than any skill player in college football last season.

His only knock is height. Like someone else said, had he been a few inches taller, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would've been long gone in the top 10.

Bruce Ellington is probably a little closer to a Stills counterpart in this draft.... Cooks is a notch or two above.

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Not to mention he's an experienced return man.

MarchingOn 05-09-2014 12:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 591609)
The thing that just kind of blows my mind is that we got Stills in the 5th round last year, but we had to trade up this year to get Cooks in the 1st round of a draft that was supposedly stacked with receivers. And they are very similar players. Is Cooks really THAT much better than Stills? And with Brees' accuracy issues last year especially on the deep ball, will we be able to take advantage of all this speed?

Like the player from what I've read, but I just can't stop thinking that we could've had Verrett, which would've really shored up our corner position, then still been able to snag a WR like Landry or Jordan Matthews in the 2nd.

Agree....unless we got a shot at Cook (or ILB Mosely).

Jack Vegas 05-09-2014 12:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ProMallNinja (Post 591613)
Stills was "good" in college. Cooks was an absolute stud.

Stills' last year at OK: 82 receptions, 959 yards, 11.7 ypc, 11 TDs.

Cooks last season: 128 receptions (pac 10 record), 1730 yards (most in football last season), 13.5 ypc, 16 TDs, and more 20+ yard plays than any skill player in college football last season.

His only knock is height. Like someone else said, had he been a few inches taller, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would've been long gone in the top 10.

Bruce Ellington is probably a little closer to a Stills counterpart in this draft.... Cooks is a notch or two above.

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Here's the deal: I'm not saying Stills is better than Cooks, or even that they're equals. I'm saying we have a tendency to turn 5th-6th-7th round picks and even UDFA's into offensive stars. Cooks is going to have to be pretty darn special to justify the cost. It cost us a ton to move up to get Ingram, who supposedly was also a can't-miss player, and he's not established himself to be any better than Pierre Thomas who was undrafted. Know what I'm saying? I just think we would've been better off using that pick on defense.

Don't get me wrong, I hope the guy is a beast. I don't root against Saints players and 90% of the time I know the front office makes the right decision.

ProMallNinja 05-09-2014 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 591617)
Here's the deal: I'm not saying Stills is better than Cooks, or even that they're equals. I'm saying we have a tendency to turn 5th-6th-7th round picks and even UDFA's into offensive stars. Cooks is going to have to be pretty darn special to justify the cost. It cost us a ton to move up to get Ingram, who supposedly was also a can't-miss player, and he's not established himself to be any better than Pierre Thomas who was undrafted. Know what I'm saying? I just think we would've been better off using that pick on defense.

Don't get me wrong, I hope the guy is a beast. I don't root against Saints players and 90% of the time I know the front office makes the right decision.

I don't think that you can let the fact that we've hit on a few late round players change the way you draft in the early rounds. You can't say that, because of your history of hitting on some late picks, you're ok with passing on an opportunity to get one of this draft's studs in the present without even knowing how the rest of the draft will play out and if you'll even have a shot at some of the other players that you value later in the draft. That's why I like the way Loomis and Payton draft. They target a player or two early and go get them instead of crossing their fingers and hoping some guys fall in their laps.

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burningmetal 05-09-2014 02:55 AM

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The very thing I didn't want to see happen, and it happened anyway. I suppose he'll do alright, but I am not thrilled about trading up for a little receiver. I said this draft was too deep at WR to need to trade up for one, and I still believe that. But the Saints thought otherwise, so all I can say is they better be right.

I think Cooks is just fine for the type of role he will likely play, but I'll say again that I don't think we needed that type of player in the first round. I'll pull for him to light it up and make it worth it, though.

lee909 05-09-2014 03:05 AM

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I cant wait to see them 3/8 plays when Cooks steps in Sproles shoes, Stills in the Moore role with Graham, Colston and possibly Morgan out wide. Can you say mis matches

Crusader 05-09-2014 03:05 AM

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The more I read about the guy and how much SP wanted him the better the pick seems.

Exxcalibur 05-09-2014 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 591482)
I'm on the other side. I don't like it


I am not adverse to it, but I LOVE your avatar!

Cruize 05-09-2014 03:35 AM

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He's a Saint. He's a darn good player. I hope he makes plays. But, not my favorite. I would have preferred to stay at 27 and got a player like Matthews, Robinson, or Latimer. Not to mention Dennard, Moses, Jean-Baptiste, Swanson or even Nix. A third was justt oo high a price for Cooks in my opinion.

Saintaintso 05-09-2014 03:53 AM

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He's a brand new steve smith ...

lee909 05-09-2014 04:17 AM

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Audio of Sean Payton telling Loomis what we needed


spkb25 05-09-2014 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jjasso007 (Post 591509)
If he was 6'2 or 6'3, he would have been the first WR taken probably. Kid can play and, with Drew throwing him the ball, sky is the limit in terms of his production

Yep, and I'll tell ya what I am looking at him in his interview and the dude might be 5'10 but he is stout. Kid is not small at all. Steve Smith-ish... damn anything close to Smith's career would be unreal.

Morgan, Kenny, Cooks, Graham, and old reliable Colston...

Throw in Meach or Toon..

spkb25 05-09-2014 05:24 AM

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He is smart too and definitely an SP dude.... I think this kids gonna be a good one

TheOak 05-09-2014 06:29 AM

In the First Round, Saints Pick Wide Reciever Brandin Cooks
 
This:

"The fastest wide receiver in this year's class, Cooks set a Pac-12 record with 1,730 receiving yards on 128 receptions en route to winning the Biletnikoff Award last season. He generated more plays of 20+ yards than any skill-position player in college football."

There are soooo many ways to love this pick.

Missing Sproles? Problem solved.

Missing Meachem/Henderson speed, worried that our speedy Joe Morgan can't stay healthy? Problem solved

Have a need for speed? How about this, Cooks/Morgan/Stills all 4.3ish guys on the field at once.... Think about it.

Durability? Done

Big play ability? Got it

Seattle containing our receivers? Solved, he possesses elite start/stop ability.

Need a punt returner? Done

If you got a problem, yo he'll solve it.

Cooks Cooks baby

brees84 05-09-2014 06:40 AM

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Love the attitude! His goals: OROY and superbowl!

TheOak 05-09-2014 07:01 AM

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See how happy I am?

I didn't spend 2 months falling in love with a player that wasn't picked.

When it comes to the Saints, I'm not a go out and find love kind of guy, I prefer to let Loomis and Sean Payton arrange my marriages :).

I've never been upset over a draft pick.

Papa Voodoo 05-09-2014 11:06 AM

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Everyone remembers how much Reggie was coveted and considered a sure thing when we picked him right? This pick isn't a sure thing either. I would be happy to eat crow and be proven wrong, but this was a reach.

exile 05-09-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 591701)
Everyone remembers how much Reggie was coveted and considered a sure thing when we picked him right? This pick isn't a sure thing either. I would be happy to eat crow and be proven wrong, but this was a reach.

Huge difference. It would have been a reach if Cooks was a RB. But he's a dynamite WR.

Papa Voodoo 05-09-2014 11:40 AM

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I understand he is a RB but Bush also caught more passes than Boldin. There was little question about Bush's ability as a play maker, returner or as a RB which is why he went so high, was compared with Mario and we did not entertain any offers to trade down so we could pick him #2. I think everyone would agree that he did not pan out as expected.

saintfan 05-09-2014 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 591646)
This:

"The fastest wide receiver in this year's class, Cooks set a Pac-12 record with 1,730 receiving yards on 128 receptions en route to winning the Biletnikoff Award last season. He generated more plays of 20+ yards than any skill-position player in college football."

There are soooo many ways to love this pick.

Missing Sproles? Problem solved.

Missing Meachem/Henderson speed, worried that our speedy Joe Morgan can't stay healthy? Problem solved

Have a need for speed? How about this, Cooks/Morgan/Stills all 4.3ish guys on the field at once.... Think about it.

Durability? Done

Big play ability? Got it

Seattle containing our receivers? Solved, he possesses elite start/stop ability.

Need a punt returner? Done

If you got a problem, yo he'll solve it.

Cooks Cooks baby

Good post...and then you went and vannila-iced it. This made me angry...

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Euphoria 05-09-2014 11:53 AM

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The real beauty of this is you split out Stills and Cooks on either side of the field. Send them on deep routes either of them with no help deep you take the shot.

If safeties do drop to cover help cover the deep routes it frees up Colston and Graham underneath or even PT out of the backfield.

Definitely going to help our short passing game as well as our running game... dare someone to cheat up safeties to much...

SaintLeonard 05-09-2014 01:57 PM

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I'm just thinking about putting Colston, Stills, Graham, and Cooks on the field at the same time. Oh, and don't forget we have an elite QB throwing them the ball.
Lol, game over for the defense.

Jack Vegas 05-09-2014 03:01 PM

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Yeah, there's no way to match up against all that at once. SP probably will want to adjust the offense to use more 3 WR sets. In theory either Colston or Graham will be matched up against a linebacker on almost every play.

Danno 05-09-2014 03:33 PM

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He's gonna be the WR version of what we thought Bush would be.

He's Harvin/Jackson/Austin all rolled into one.

He's also just an inch shorter than everybody's favorite WR OBJ.

He's scrappy, great hands, great character, tough as a $2.00 steak, can start/stop on a dime, returns kicks and punts, great balance, and oh yeah, he's the freakin 2nd fastest player in the entire draft at a 4.31 40.

Marlboro Man 05-09-2014 03:39 PM

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Meh. Hope you all are right. Doesn't do much good if you can't stop the other team from scoring though. I'm a little tired of these shoot outs.

lee909 05-09-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 591778)
Meh. Hope you all are right. Doesn't do much good if you can't stop the other team from scoring though. I'm a little tired of these shoot outs.

We have the 4th rank overall defense on last year and the 4th rank offense but when the chips were down it was the offense that went missing

Danno 05-09-2014 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 591778)
Meh. Hope you all are right. Doesn't do much good if you can't stop the other team from scoring though. I'm a little tired of these shoot outs.

What shoot-outs? We didn't have any shootouts last year. Maybe the Pats game, but thats the only one I can think of.

And we were 4th best in the NFL in points allowed.

Were you talking about some other team?

burningmetal 05-09-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 591702)
Huge difference. It would have been a reach if Cooks was a RB. But he's a dynamite WR.

So being considered a dynamite WR is more reliable than being considered a dynamite RB?

Those who are in love with this pick are missing the point by those of us who aren't. It's not that he's a bad player, or that he won't fit in. But it doesn't seem, to me at least, that we needed to trade up in order to get him. But people say "oh he's so fast, he's gonna be the new sproles". Cooks is not a running back, therefore when he's on the field there won't be any mystery as to what he's out there for. Other than the occasional reverse play.

All the can't miss talk means nothing to me. I've heard it before. I do think he'll be a good player, for what it's worth, but this is way too much hype for me.

Danno 05-09-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 591785)
So being considered a dynamite WR is more reliable than being considered a dynamite RB?

Those who are in love with this pick are missing the point by those of us who aren't. It's not that he's a bad player, or that he won't fit in. But it doesn't seem, to me at least, that we needed to trade up in order to get him. But people say "oh he's so fast, he's gonna be the new sproles". Cooks is not a running back, therefore when he's on the field there won't be any mystery as to what he's out there for. Other than the occasional reverse play.

All the can't miss talk means nothing to me. I've heard it before. I do think he'll be a good player, for what it's worth, but this is way too much hype for me.

Its the day after, of course everyone is excited and we're simply stating what he could be.

Would you rather we, after every pick state "stats show he's likely gonna be a bust, so I just can't get excited"?

Its freaking NFL Christmas, quit pissin on my new toy!:p


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