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Vrillon82 05-12-2014 07:19 AM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
most 6th round picks and up by the Saints are nothing but complete shots in the dark when they draft. Its why they go all or nothing on a guy like Tavon.

Barry from MS 05-12-2014 07:42 PM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 593464)
All coaches and teams are equal?

Sproles better as a Charger or Saint?
Favre better as a Falcon or Packer?
Bush?
Brees ..... Charger or Saint?
Ricky Williams?

Whole lot of whorah about how Ingram would be a better RB somewhere else but let the player be a draft pick not on someone's list and he is a career underachiever.

Maybe he was in the wrong system?

I recall some players becoming better after Spags was replaced....
No coach and/or system are equal; not the point I was laboring to make, and I wasn't upset that I had no idea who this guy was when he was picked...hell, I didn't know who Evans or Colston were in 2006, either.

And of course the argument could be that maybe KSU's offensive scheme requires their OLine to be swift but weak...he put up 21 reps on his pro day? For a lineman? You know people were telling him that he needed to get stronger to play in the NFL from the day he got to KSU up until his pro day. Point blank, he did not do what he needed to do to improve himself and was pretty flippant about not being considered a draft prospect.

If he can't get stronger and make himself better for just his own draft stock, we're going to expect him to make himself better for a 53 man TEAM? We'll soon see, but I will maintain that he doesn't have the drive to make himself better for his sake or for the team's sake.

Hope he proves me wrong and that we haven't wasted a 6th round pick on a dirt bag underachiever.

TheOak 05-12-2014 08:30 PM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 593596)
No coach and/or system are equal; not the point I was laboring to make, and I wasn't upset that I had no idea who this guy was when he was picked...hell, I didn't know who Evans or Colston were in 2006, either.



And of course the argument could be that maybe KSU's offensive scheme requires their OLine to be swift but weak...he put up 21 reps on his pro day? For a lineman? You know people were telling him that he needed to get stronger to play in the NFL from the day he got to KSU up until his pro day. Point blank, he did not do what he needed to do to improve himself and was pretty flippant about not being considered a draft prospect.



If he can't get stronger and make himself better for just his own draft stock, we're going to expect him to make himself better for a 53 man TEAM? We'll soon see, but I will maintain that he doesn't have the drive to make himself better for his sake or for the team's sake.



Hope he proves me wrong and that we haven't wasted a 6th round pick on a dirt bag underachiever.

Ahhh the bench rep.... Do you understand what 21 means? You'll see why I ask below. Ever been is a bench rep contest? Know what it takes to make someone preform poorly? The common cold.


Anyway ....

Jhari Evans - Bench Press 20 reps (225)
Zack Strief - Bench Press 19 reps (225)

Barry from MS 05-12-2014 09:41 PM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 593606)
Ahhh the bench rep.... Do you understand what 21 means? You'll see why I ask below. Ever been is a bench rep contest? Know what it takes to make someone preform poorly? The common cold.


Anyway ....

Jhari Evans - Bench Press 20 reps (225)
Zack Strief - Bench Press 19 reps (225)
OK...bench reps was just 1 example and I shouldn't have confined it to that one area. Good on you for calling me out on my laziness...not being a sarcastic butt with that statement, either. I was lazy. ;)

However, Evans' draft profile was littered with "effort" statements: "aggressive at point-of-attack", "tough, physical", "finishes blocks", etc. 2-time All-American at Bloomsburg...Turned out nicely for us, obviously. Strief's said pretty much the same: "aggressive", "tough, competitive". Grant it, these were coming from scouting reports, but I'd trust them with most of these assessments as they are closer to the source than I am. What I see from these reports are that Evans and Strief = Effort Guys coming out of college, though both lacking that "bench press" strength.

Rooks? "Late to the 2nd level", "not a stronger finisher". Effort-lacking statements to me. He has positives with his starting experience and his lateral movement with pass protection, but KSU isn't a real passing offense (passing 38% of offensive plays in 2013). Effort shows on the field, and if he was an Effort Guy, that would have jumped out to scouts and to most NFL teams on film...at least the Saints thought they saw something, so 1 out of 32 ain't bad?

Really hope I'm wrong, but I ain't feeling it for this guy. At least it wasn't his pick in the 4th or 5th Round. And this is the most I've ever "put forth any effort" into writing about a 6th round pick.

Euphoria 05-13-2014 11:45 AM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 593596)
No coach and/or system are equal; not the point I was laboring to make, and I wasn't upset that I had no idea who this guy was when he was picked...hell, I didn't know who Evans or Colston were in 2006, either.

And of course the argument could be that maybe KSU's offensive scheme requires their OLine to be swift but weak...he put up 21 reps on his pro day? For a lineman? You know people were telling him that he needed to get stronger to play in the NFL from the day he got to KSU up until his pro day. Point blank, he did not do what he needed to do to improve himself and was pretty flippant about not being considered a draft prospect.

If he can't get stronger and make himself better for just his own draft stock, we're going to expect him to make himself better for a 53 man TEAM? We'll soon see, but I will maintain that he doesn't have the drive to make himself better for his sake or for the team's sake.

Hope he proves me wrong and that we haven't wasted a 6th round pick on a dirt bag underachiever.
Could it be he knew he wouldn't get drafted?
Hell when we all went looking for his NFL draft profile it was completely blank that was very odd.

If this guy ends up making it, it will be the upset pick of the century.

TheOak 05-13-2014 01:09 PM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 593634)
OK...bench reps was just 1 example and I shouldn't have confined it to that one area. Good on you for calling me out on my laziness...not being a sarcastic butt with that statement, either. I was lazy. ;)

However, Evans' draft profile was littered with "effort" statements: "aggressive at point-of-attack", "tough, physical", "finishes blocks", etc. 2-time All-American at Bloomsburg...Turned out nicely for us, obviously. Strief's said pretty much the same: "aggressive", "tough, competitive". Grant it, these were coming from scouting reports, but I'd trust them with most of these assessments as they are closer to the source than I am. What I see from these reports are that Evans and Strief = Effort Guys coming out of college, though both lacking that "bench press" strength.

Rooks? "Late to the 2nd level", "not a stronger finisher". Effort-lacking statements to me. He has positives with his starting experience and his lateral movement with pass protection, but KSU isn't a real passing offense (passing 38% of offensive plays in 2013). Effort shows on the field, and if he was an Effort Guy, that would have jumped out to scouts and to most NFL teams on film...at least the Saints thought they saw something, so 1 out of 32 ain't bad?

Really hope I'm wrong, but I ain't feeling it for this guy. At least it wasn't his pick in the 4th or 5th Round. And this is the most I've ever "put forth any effort" into writing about a 6th round pick.
What I have seen, and i am not saying this is the case, more hoping that this is the case is that a paycheck is more motivating than a cheerleader.

He is in the NFL now, its his job, I have yet to hear that Sean Payton has had trouble with anyones effort.. He will be gone I am sure if he doesn't walk the talk.

Barry from MS 05-13-2014 06:00 PM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
Spot on...dude will bounce all the way back to Baltimore if the effort ain't there. We'll see. I now have a vested interest in this kid's success/failure since I've written so dang much on him so far. Good grief, Charlie Brown.

Danno 05-13-2014 06:05 PM
Re: New Orleans Saints draft Kansas State OT Tavon Rooks in the sixth round
 
At first glance, worst pick of the Payton/Loomis era.

At second glance, see 1st glance.


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