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B_Dub_Saint 05-11-2014 11:24 AM

How excited are you to see the Defense this year!!
 
Im just reflecting back to 2006 and how excited I was about the signing of Brees and Bush. The offense became a power house in the NFL and since then we have been putting up video game numbers.

Now here in 2014 I must say I cannot wait to see this defense that our program has assembled. Its truly going to be incredible. We all love offense, but I honestly want to defer the kick to the FailClowns in week 1 and absolutely destroy everyone on their squad. WHO DAT!!!! :bng:

rezburna 05-11-2014 11:28 AM

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Yeah, I'm excited about it too.

dizzle88 05-11-2014 11:33 AM

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I remember in 2009 was the first in a long time when I was actually excited to see our defense take the field because of the turnovers

now our D is just sheer dominance though, I'm massively excited to see what our D can do, I can't wait to see Jairus Byrd in black and gold

|Mitch| 05-11-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint (Post 593285)
We all love offense, but I honestly want to defer the kick to the FailClowns in week 1 and absolutely destroy everyone on their squad. WHO DAT!!!! :bng:

I like offense; but I absolutely love defense... Going to be interesting to see if Byrd is the player he was before or was he just looking for the big pay-day...

And I'm ready to see Butler on the field:bng:

papz 05-11-2014 12:20 PM

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We had 49 sacks last season. If Butler is as good as coaches think he can be, it's going to get ugly.

I love that kind of ugly.

Jamessr 05-11-2014 12:25 PM

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Totally pumped up about the defense.

AllSaints 05-11-2014 12:36 PM

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Im so pumped ! If we are lucky enough to stay healthy we got something special here with this squad !

Rugby Saint II 05-11-2014 01:37 PM

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VERY EXCITED!:party::party:

The Dude 05-11-2014 02:08 PM

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I'm very excited. Going from worst EVER to top 5 is just unheard of. Last years D may have overachieved last year. I won't be too surprised if we remain the same or even take a step back in overall defense even with all the upgrades. I do however think we will have many more interceptions and turnovers and that is really the only stat I care about.

Ashley 05-11-2014 02:24 PM

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Even from hearing more noise from players like, Glenn Foster, Rufus Johnson. I'm almost about to pee myself. Ha Ha

hitta 05-11-2014 02:26 PM

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This is probably the first year in the Payton era that I'm more concerned about the offense going into the season than the defense. And that ladies and gentlemen is not a bad thing.

hagan714 05-11-2014 03:55 PM

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should be pretty much the same stuff. except for players coming of IR. that should make it fun. drafted players? i want to see our CB in action and see how much he needs to learn. as for the rest they should upgrade special teams right away

nola_swammi 05-11-2014 04:25 PM

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Whodat! Won't surprise me if we have the top defense for 2015

TheOak 05-11-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 593341)
should be pretty much the same stuff. except for players coming of IR. that should make it fun. drafted players? i want to see our CB in action and see how much he needs to learn. as for the rest they should upgrade special teams right away


I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that?

The Dude 05-11-2014 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 593370)
I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that?

Why?

TheKillerBs 05-11-2014 06:24 PM

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Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.)

dizzle88 05-11-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKillerBs (Post 593385)
Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.)

I've always had the feeling when listening to meachem talk in interviews that he's never been the brightest kid in the class and the reason he didnt play his rookie season is because payton was unhappy that meachem couldnt grasp the offense - lining up in the wrong spot etc

cooks has played in a similar type offense to ours with the same route concepts, plus he seems to be a smart guy so I don't think he will struggle at all

The Dude 05-11-2014 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKillerBs (Post 593385)
Honestly, I'm more concerned about Cooks getting up to speed than Jean-Baptiste. WR's we've drafted early seem to need a "red shirt" year to get things going. (Looking at you, Robert Meachem.)

I don't know if he ever really got it going. I never much cared for his play.He was good enough but not the difference maker you hope to get as a first round wipeout.

brees84 05-11-2014 06:34 PM

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He is nothing like meachem. He is pro ready. I don't see many rookie WRs who are ready to contibute from day 1. Cooks, watkins and maybe a few more.

TheKillerBs 05-11-2014 06:36 PM

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Glad for the votes of confidence on Cooks. :smile:

Now, to answer the actual question of the thread, I am super excited to see this defense!!! Can't wait for the season to start!

The Dude 05-11-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 593388)
He is nothing like meachem. He is pro ready. I don't see many rookie WRs who are ready to contibute from day 1. Cooks, watkins and maybe a few more.

Yea and CBs are kinda the same way. Usually take a couple of years to really hit their stride. I hope Baptiste is as ready as Cooks. Sounds to me like he is a little more raw than some of the others that were picked around him but has more of an upside.

hagan714 05-11-2014 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 593370)
I asked but didn't see anyone answer. I heard CBs coming out of the Nebraska system take a little longer than usual to get up to NFL speed. You know anything about that?

Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

The Dude 05-11-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 593399)
Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

The more I read about him the more I kinda wonder about this pick. I hope he does learn fast. Like someone else said the CB position seems to take a couple of years for players coming out of the draft to start to play well anyway.

hagan714 05-11-2014 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 593408)
The more I read about him the more I kinda wonder about this pick. I hope he does learn fast. Like someone else said the CB position seems to take a couple of years for players coming out of the draft to start to play well anyway.

see that is the big issue with him. do you really know because he has played the position for just two years. At times you will want to throw some thing at the TV when he gives up inside position so easily. Other times he will amaze you. take the good with bad.

Right now the first thing he must do is get more physical because in no way is he ready to cover anything but tall lumbering WR and TE. I feel pretty good about him covering Mike Evens or Kevin Benjamin. if he gets more aggressive. which i think he can pick up pretty fast with pro coaching. Plus forcing him to cover Jimmy in practice will help big time

Allen Robinson and Jordan Mathews might make me a bit antsy. they are a bit more speedy finesse WR. But that is were Colston can help the kid

Anything faster or quicker i would be holding my breath. let him chase cook around the feild if you think he is getting to cocky

This is a long term developmental project all riding on this kids upside. man o man coverage with limited flexibility as to his package use is where i see him right now. he is a specialty nickle and dime guy. no way is he ready to start.

second round was a reach IMO for any of the CB left on the board but the saints hand may have been forced by trading away their third round pick. same goes for OC. they were all gone for the most part by round 4. SP drafting of cook limited us big time.

but SP must have his toys.

If you are to take reach SJB was a solid pick at CB of the ones left. If he gets it all together he can be a turn over machine. best hands of any well he was a WR.

alleycat_126 05-11-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 593399)
Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.

How can you not be over the moon about the selection. For months in conversations about the cornerbacks we would have the ability to draft his name kept coming up. Payton said that SJB was the best CB on there draft board at the time, and I believe him.... The only thing that would have made SJB a better pick was if in the fourth round when they picked they would have went cornerback again and selected Pierre Desir... because all SBJ would have to do then is cover lumbering WRs and Tight Ends.... Desir went one pick after Khairi Fortt....

I think yes he is a project to be a #2. But there's no pressure. Corey White, Patrick Robinson, and Champ Bailey can split #2 CB snaps while this kid learns...... By the way his got a great set of teachers..... Rob Ryan, Keenan Lewis, and Champ Bailey..... he's gonna be covering Lumbering TE's and WR's while he gets accustomed to the route trees of the better receivers in the leugue... but what has the NFC south become but Lumbering TE's and WRs.... ( Kelvin Benjamin, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White etc)

hagan714 05-12-2014 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 593430)
How can you not be over the moon about the selection. For months in conversations about the cornerbacks we would have the ability to draft his name kept coming up. Payton said that SJB was the best CB on there draft board at the time, and I believe him.... The only thing that would have made SJB a better pick was if in the fourth round when they picked they would have went cornerback again and selected Pierre Desir... because all SBJ would have to do then is cover lumbering WRs and Tight Ends.... Desir went one pick after Khairi Fortt....

I think yes he is a project to be a #2. But there's no pressure. Corey White, Patrick Robinson, and Champ Bailey can split #2 CB snaps while this kid learns...... By the way his got a great set of teachers..... Rob Ryan, Keenan Lewis, and Champ Bailey..... he's gonna be covering Lumbering TE's and WR's while he gets accustomed to the route trees of the better receivers in the leugue... but what has the NFC south become but Lumbering TE's and WRs.... ( Kelvin Benjamin, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Roddy White etc)

i like the pick but i am also trying to objective about the kid. I also agree he was the best CB on the board at the time. There really is no pressure i agree also. CB was not an area of greatest need IMO to begin with.

I like the pick I can accept the pick but it was not a pick of great need IMO. He was the best CB on the board but not the BPA so it was a reach. I honestly thought Allen Roberston, Morgan Mosses, Charles Sim, Marcus Martin, were BPA ahead of him to name a few. so we reached a bit on need so be it. i am cool with it.

In a few years we will absolute love this pick IMO.

TheOak 05-12-2014 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 593382)
Why?


As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking.

Seer1 05-12-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 593474)
As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking.

Hey, it's the B1G. Nobody there get s much practice against the pass until they hit the big league...

TheOak 05-12-2014 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 593399)
Stanley Jean-Baptiste SJB as we know is 2 years into learning the CB position. even though at times it is obvious that the switch is not natural to him he shows a solid football IQ to be were he is. At times he runs WR and not a defenders route and get burned big time.

Now introduce a professional route tree in the mix and i fear we will see him struggle even more. But I have faith in a few years he will be good enough to cover most WR in the NFL as long as they are not those fast Jitter bugs.

recognizing some of the more complex screens and run games will also expose his lack of aggressive play and limited reaction time while he learns.

the biggest issue though will be defending a pro route tree and knowing where your help is or not when defending. that in my opinion is the reason for the learning curve, running a route tree is easier than reacting to the route. that has to become more reactionary than reading were the WR is going.

trust at times you will wonder were the kids head is at but others you will see why they picked him.

Bucannon was hands down the best DB in the media rankings in this draft range, he is still my #2 DB in the draft. due to one thing. reactions in coverage. pro route tree should not give him much trouble. SJB will need time to stop being a WR at times and become a DB 100% of the time.


Thanks..... Question for you.

Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order)

TheOak 05-12-2014 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 593476)
Hey, it's the B1G. Nobody there get s much practice against the pass until they hit the big league...


Silver lining.... No bad habits? ;)

|Mitch| 05-12-2014 11:34 AM

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2013 Defensive Highlights:

Danno 05-12-2014 12:19 PM

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OMG how can you be excited? We haven't even played any games yet!!! [/sarcasm]

The Dude 05-12-2014 12:38 PM

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:bng:
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 593539)
OMG how can you be excited? We haven't even played any games yet!!! [/sarcasm]

I know right. We need to reserve judgement until after the season.

The Dude 05-12-2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 593474)
As I understand it the Nebraska system is that different... I am ignorant to the reality of it so I am asking.

I am too. I am wondering if that conference is maybe built around a strong running game as opposed to a passing game with QBs with big arms and big receivers. IDK I don't watch much college ball anymore. Especially outside of the SEC.

Exxcalibur 05-12-2014 04:22 PM

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I have O line anxiety issues...

hagan714 05-12-2014 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 593478)
Thanks..... Question for you.

Assuming (I know about that word LOL), but assuming Rob Ryan makes him better (not shut-down good but better) who would you rather on Julio Jones? Robinson, Baptiste, White, Sweeting.... (In order)

Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe.

short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty

Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth.

Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon. Calvin Pryor is one also

Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage.

TheOak 05-12-2014 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 593617)
Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe.

short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty

Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth.

Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon.

Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage.


Thanks.... I'm not well versed in DBs. I'm a lineman..... Both sides of the ball.

the-commish 05-13-2014 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 593617)
Assuming we were silly enough to go man coverage with no help over the top.? not one of our CB can handle the task. and it would be time to fire ROB. Rob is not a secondary guru. front 7 yes secondary no. that credit or blame falls on Curtis i believe.

short area coverage you would want Robinson. SJB is not ready for that assignment. not even close to ready. Then White. SJB needs a helll of a lot of work before he is even ready to try that duty

Man coverage is out of the question. dbl him up as always. Hit him with no mercy every time he touches the ball. Jones does flinch by the fourth.

Of all the DB on the board when we picked no matter the round there was one DB that stood a chance Deone Bucannon. Calvin Pryor is one also

Justin Gilbert is the only CB in the draft that stands half a chance in man coverage.

Off man...YES. Ah, but press man at the LOS, that is where I think this secondary is headed; and Baptiste would probably be good at that. You are correct I would not want Baptiste covering a fast WR one on one without first having knocked him off his intended route.

Calvin Pryor is a safety, and probably wouldn't be man up anyway.


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